Posted on 05/01/2008 6:01:31 AM PDT by MizSterious
“...boys will just argue to hear their head rattle.”
LOL! I would agree with you only somewhat in my own case, as I am an only child whose father was disappointed in my gender, so many of my characteristics are not particularly feminine. For instance, I was 13 before I learned not to eat like a truck driver.
Going to the doors with a warrant is an *attack*?
Thank you, I think I will copy this & show my dad. We may be able to have a good discussion on this. ~Pandy~
Yet I'll bet before the day is out (or I get to the last post in today's thread after posting this) there will be the defenders of the FLDS waving these "egregious" violations of due process and religious freedom around again.
“You don’t think that leaking information about the ongoing CPS investigation to the press”
We know what leaks are, those aren’t leaks, especially all of the information that has to be spread among other areas and levels of government, such as what was given to the state senate committee yesterday.
For an international story of this scale, a little general information is absolutely necessary, a total blackout would create chaos and have the public up in arms.
I guess it would help your cult defense lawyers though, I can go back through the threads and see the picture that you guys would be painting if we didn’t have some facts to go on.
The state taking 500 people and disappearing them is not the way we do things in America, the people have to be kept informed to some degree.
First of all, neither the first nor the second warrant could be characterized as ‘questionable’. If you ever read the actual warrants you will notice that the first is not based upon the specious complaint phoned in by a sick female in another state. Try again ...
They didn’t know it was from someone with a history of making false reports until later. If you think someone is in fairly imminent danger, you act. They did, got a warrant and went to look for the girl.
Besides, the girl who allegedly made the false report has not been convicted in a court of law, but she’s been treated as guilty by everyone who want to find reason to find a mistake the government made to prove their actions have no merit.
Her picture has been posted and she’s been accused without a trial. Now every time someone sees her, they’ll think of this. Her reputation has been ruined forever whether she’s truly guilty or not.
So where are her Constitutional rights? Isn’t she innocent until proved guilty in a court of law as well? Isn’t condemning her without a trial a violation of due process?
Excellent find! Appreciate you posting it.
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Excerpt. Read the rest at source: WBKO.
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I’ll have to look for that one on the various movie channels.
Evil walks on two legs.
"That's nearly ten percent. Outside Eldorado, less than one percent of American children suffer a broken bone each year."
On some of the other threads, there was some discussion about what would be the norm for broken bones. If what this article says is correct, this is, um, a bit over what would be normally expected.
LOL, After investigating for four years with an informant, suddenly after a hoax call they seize the kids and now will allow no communication between them and their parents. Four years is plenty of time for collecting evidence and preparing a case.
Now they’re being thoughtful and careful and they’re being criticized for not going fast enough.
Which is worse for a parent or a child, going to prison or being torn apart? Generally going to prison involves the the State convicting someone for a crime. Now they have effectively imprisoned the children and not charged anyone with a crime. To me this is terrifying. I expect these children to be separated from their parents for many years before this is resolved.
Can they do anything right?
Yes, they can arrest the perps and put them in jail : ) Will they? I think they are going for tax evasion myself.
With Jim Jones, they didn’t arrest and detain the survivors.
Well as I said he is a hard man & he is 87 now. He & I have an odd relationship. I love him but he would rather see his grandchildren then me. He was pretty abusive growing up. I did not ever forget his words of advice & I think I will thank him when I show him the copy I am printing. ~Pandy~
First, none of these kids are arrested. They’ve been removed from the homes before they drank the grape koolaid. Second, it would have been just a little late to stop the mass suicide, wouldn’t it have been?
*How many survivors were there, anyway? I thought they all died?
How do you KNOW it's a hoax call? Are you listening to MEDIA reports that tell us so?
So, you're willing to judge and condemn someone on evidence that's no more substantial that that which is being used against flds?
Has she stood trial? Has the evidence been presented in a court of law? Has she been found guilty by a jury of her peers?
What about her Constitutional rights? What about her right to due process? What about her being innocent until proved guilty?
All those who complain about people sitting in judgment of the flds are doing the very thing they condemn with this girl. Her picture is being plastered all over the place and she's being hung without a trial by the very folks who are screaming the loudest about Constitutional rights and due process when the flds is being condemned.
No one can say the phone call is a hoax because no one knows for sure. It has not been determined to be fact in a trial, and yet this one little tidbit released by the media that no one trusts is being treated as set in stone.
The hypocrisy is appalling.
Well-distinguished and well-put.
So the question really is: "Which fork of the old pioneer polygamy wagontrain trail represents the original 'route' of the Mormon heritage--mLDS or fLDS?"
mLDS now (conveniently) clings to Jacob 2 in the Book of Mormon after practically ignoring it for a few generations--but mLDS are practicing infidels in regard to Doctrine & Covenants 132. Obviously the reverse holds true for the fLDS.
What I find absolutely fascinating is when folks visit the mLDS "PR" Web page, you get this spin cycle (note what I highlighted):
"The standard doctrine of the [LDS] Church is monogamy, AS IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN, as indicated in the Book of Mormon (Jacob chapter 2): 'Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord. For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none...For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.' In other words, the standard of the Lord's people is monogamy, unless the Lord reveals otherwise. Latter-day Saints believe the season the Church practiced polygamy was one of these exceptions. (LDS.org)
"In other words..." the Mormon god has...
..."default revelation" (monogamy) and then...
..."overdrive revelation" (polygamy) that contradicts back & forth...
...and unless you know what "season" the Mormon god is in, revelation-wise, you might do...
...something (polygamy) that would get you...
...the celestial kingdom in one "season" but would...
...ex-communicate you in another "season";
...something (polygamy) that operative in the celestial kingdom in the eternal "season" but would get you...
...arrested & give our P.R. folks heartburn in the "time" "season."
(Whew! That's shur easy to keep straight!)
My final question: If Jacob 2 provided plausible denial for Joseph Smith during his secretive philandeering years (early 1830s to 1843) that he was not engaged in it, is not the official LDS Church guilty of the same thing now?
Are they not also using Jacob 2 as a cover for plausible denial that, "Oh, no, we never embraced a 'standard doctrine' of polygamy...see? It says right here in Jacob 2...well, we're going to edit out the part of Jacob 2 where it says that polygamy is an 'abomination' to God because that wouldn't come across too...well, it was just come across in a press release as confessing that the Book of Mormon says polygamy was an 'abomination' to God & then for us to still contend that it's on the table for the future if God so directs and that revelationally, polygamy might be 'open season' if God 'opens the season...'"
I tell you that this the height of sophisticated spin doctoring when you can manipulate such words as P.R. cover!!!
Rick Ross on FoxNews NOW!!!!!!!!!
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