Posted on 04/30/2008 6:59:48 PM PDT by LJayne
In case it wasn’t evident, I posted my comment before I read your earlier one, so I wasn’t responding to that.
Religions define themselves. Typically, Islam teaches that if your father was a Muslim, then you are Muslim. And it teaches that once a Muslim, always a Muslim. By analogy, if someone’s parents baptize him as a Christian, then he is be considered to have been a Christian, and still to be a Christian, though fallen away, even if he subsequently abandons the faith—and all the more so if he went to church with his family and took religion classes as a child.
Certainly under American law, Obama can choose his religion as he pleases. But that wouldn’t stop most devout Muslims from considering him an apostate if he started life as a Muslim and then converted to Christianity as an adult.
Interesting thing about old Muawiyah was that he looked beyond Islam, saw how a state could be organized, and did so without letting the religious elements interfere with top end statecraft, or the acquisition of wealth and power.
Guy was positively Jeffersonian when it came to religion, and Hamiltonian regarding statecraft and government involvement in national finance.
And this was on the part of a man who grew up living in tents, tending camels, and participating in an almost totally illiterate society.
His ideas in government were translated to Spain. Under the Umayyads Spain became the most prosperous, powerful and educated nation on Earth.
I don't think any of us would care to live in those societies, but at the time, they were the best to be had.
Yes; Muawiyah was perhaps my favorite figure from early Islamic history; then there was (much later, of course) the greatest of the Kurds, Saladin.
I wonder if Sean knows about the cousin?
“..that would blow him right out of contention.”
Why do you say that? With all this promotion of national diversity one can only expect that sooner or later America will have a non-Christian, or perhaps even an anti-Christian, occupy the WH. It is questionable that it will be the Muslim BO in 2009, but it is only a matter of time for it to happen in the future.
Well, according to this article,
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2649
his true full name is Barrack Hussein Muhammad Obama.
AN AMERICAN EXPAT IN SOUTHEAST ASIA
htpp://latoze.blogspot.com
The above american in southeast asia went to the INDONESIAN SCHOOL OBAMA ATTENDED AGES 6-10, and he went to MUSLIM classes as required by Indonesian Law. GO TO THE WEBSITE AND READ! OBAMA attended MOSQUE WITH HIS STEPFATHER LOLA SOLETORO, and lived as a MUSLIM.
There have been umpteen threads on this, and you’all need to do some research.
CORRECTION ON WEB ADDRESS;
AN AMERICAN EXPAT IN SOUTHEAST ASIA
ON FREEREPUBLIC.COM he is “expatguy”
In Indonesia Barack Obama was Barry Soletoro...
Originally his name was Barry Soletoro, it was changed.
Read his Indonesian Childhood ages 6-10
AN AMERICAN EXPAT IN SOUTHEAST ASIA
known on FreeRepublic.com as “expatguy”
The most extensive research on BARACK OBAMA on the web.
Actually, it is a standard operating procedure, sanctioned in the Koran, to decieve Infidels.
I do not know whether Obama is a closet Muzzie or not. I do know that he has rightfully earned Democrat nomination because he hates American values even more than Hillary.
The party needs to be clearly displayed for what it is and not disguised by the too clever lyings of the Clintons.
And you?
I bet you would have remembered if you had to pray five times a day to Allah.
Yes and my religious education is still important to me today,...The bible says: ‘raise a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it.
Those principles will apply to any religion, whether right or wrong.
Short version, many Moslems are "soft on Islam".
Indonesia's Moslem population is well known for being "soft".
Short version, many Moslems are "soft on Islam".
Indonesia's Moslem population is well known for being "soft".
I don’t know about that, it’s more expatguy’s expertise. What say you expatguy to muawiyah that most muslims are soft on Islam in Indonesia?
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