Posted on 04/23/2008 4:43:30 AM PDT by Renfield
Where I live, they're electable.
Unfortunately, when Obama sends us into the drink, he’ll declare martial law and suspend elections...
Yes, Obama lost to Hillary in every state he needs to win in November. He can’t win those states against McCain. On the other hand, with only a few exceptions (California, Illinois) Obama won all the states in the spring that he has absolutely no chance of winning in November.
Obama is the ideal nominee for the Republicans.
Osama didn’t win CA. The beast kicked his butt there too!
I agree, but black turnout might be a little low this time ‘round if Hillary is the nominee. 90% of a smaller number might not do the trick.
What nonsense. How can you extrapolate from the Dem primaries to the general election? Just because Hillary won in MA, NY, and NJ for example, don't you think that Obama can win those states too in the general election?
Disagree. This first black candidate thing is the initial PC reaction. It will be trumped by the ‘unifier’s’ record of terrorists ties, Saddam Hussein arms dealer home purchase, Crackergate, Michelle O, not to mention those ‘clinging’ voters.
Trust me, we will be hearing about the ‘clinging voter’ in November and how they stopped Obama.
Like PA, it won’t show in the polls, exit polls or otherwise.
That’s what I said. Hillary will depress the black turnout, Obama will increase it.
I think it boils down to demographics. NY, NJ and MA have more working class whites. They will not vote for Obama. I think McCain has a realistic chance there. This could be a huge landslide.
Jackie Robinson was the perfect selection to break the color barrier in baseball because of his high character and his ability. Obama is no Jackie Robinson; his racist and elitist remarks will set back race relations 20 years.
Bill (and Hillary) did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky.
Can The Vast Wright-Wing Conspiracy candidate make a comeback?
Take the mittens off, Barack. (you’re losing to THIS LOSER?)
You’re looking at primary results and projecting that onto the general election. The dynamics are different. Once the nomination process is over, the DIMs will solidify around their candidate. Sure, there will be those who sit it out (more so with Clinton than Obama), but the majority by far will fall behind whoever wins. Even the Blacks should that be Hillary.
And in the general, Obama will be, by far, the stronger candidate. Sure, he has negatives, big ones. But that won’t mean a hill of beans once he’s nominated. It doesn’t today to millions of Americans. Don’t project your views as a conservative onto the general public. It doesn’t work. Many will see the opportunity to vote for the first Black candidate for the Presidency as something they want to be a part of, for historical reasons if nothing else. And the fact that candidate was nominated by the party which historically held Blacks in low esteem will negate any past history.
The news media is behind Obama and his negatives (such as those you point out) will be buried from the general public. Only those politicalphiles such as ourselves will be keenly aware. Sure, there are many who will not vote for him because of what’s already known, but I submit that the draw of being in on the election of the first Black candidate will be too strong to resist for many. If Obama is to be defeated it will be because he’s shown himself to be too inept to be CIC; not because of his past (and present) associations.
The fact is, the Republican Party could not have caused the kind of damage that the Dems are causing to their party. Hillary has just enough friends in the media to insure that all these Obama scandals get airplay. Had she dropped out of the race, NONE of these Obama issues would have seen the light of day. God Bless you, Rush!!!
I grew up in the NY and NJ area living in both states. I think you are delusional if you believe that McCain can win either state. And he certainly won't win MA, which has a black governor [as does NY]. In general elections, Dems vote their party, not race. Michael Steele, Lynn Swann, and Ken Blackwell found that out.
I think you seriously underestimate Obama, especially given the fact that the GOP has nominated a seriously flawed candidate. The Dem mantra will be no third term for Bush, health care for all, and out of Iraq. These will reasonate with lots of Americans. And if the economy remains depressed, Obama will be elected easily.
Yes, you did. Late night watching the returns. Sorry.
Pennsylvania would be in-play if Obama is the nominee. We’re getting Blue-er, but we might just turn back the clock a couple of election cycles. I don’t see the Philly Burbs going for Obama. Hillary, yes.
You don't normally see that. When it became obvious that Edwards couldn't win he got fewer and fewer votes. Thats normal. The conservative democrat won't vote for Obama. McCain is centrist and Obama has his back pinned against the left wall. He won't take Florida, Ohio or Pennsylvania in the general.And he won't get enough Hispanics.
“The news media is behind Obama and his negatives (such as those you point out) will be buried from the general public. Only those politicalphiles such as ourselves will be keenly aware. Sure, there are many who will not vote for him because of what’s already known, but I submit that the draw of being in on the election of the first Black candidate will be too strong to resist for many. If Obama is to be defeated it will be because he’s shown himself to be too inept to be CIC; not because of his past (and present) associations.’
Well for the record and FWIW, I agree with you if this was February, but the world has forged ahead and crippling mistakes have been made. And I do not believe that Obama who is an untested party pol from Illinois will go without another to November.
And I think that there is a tremendous difference in media impact from the 20th centurty to the 21st.
We will not be alone in knowing a ‘bigger’ picture of the Empty Suited unifier.
How many PA voters do you think did not hear about the ‘cling’ comment?
I would suggest that many did and the results were evident as a result. If he hadn’t said that, I think the margin would have been in the range of 3-6 and Shrillary would have been toast.
Now if she can hold on to win Indiana, well she will survive another day. Not win but survive. (The media is already doing the expectation game on N. Carolina so she will skate on defeat there.)
This is shaping up quite nicely. She will rip him down and he’s cracking under the pressure of a real race. He will try to run on the economy but find that the polling results are not getting him to where he needs to be. I’m hoping that will be the case in Indiana.
Then Shrillary is with us right into June. And beyond. :)
Actually it’s the party that’s poison anybody who become part of it
Lower income Democrats and Hispanics would be the two largest blocks that Obama has problems carrying, for sure. But a lot rides on how many of that first block are conservative Democrats vs. the RAT infested far left and the youth vote. That block is not as one dimensional as some assume.
My whole point is this; both have large negatives but Obama, being who he is and the potential historical ramifications IMHO make him the more formidable candidate in the general. That is not to say he can’t lose. It’s saying it would be a tougher fight that would turn very ugly (the racist card) very quickly.
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