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'He raped me,' woman says of fellow Naval Academy midshipman
Yahoo News ^ | 4.22.08 | BRIAN WITTE,

Posted on 04/22/2008 10:13:04 PM PDT by OnRightOnLeftCoast

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To: good1
I don’t think women should be at the service academies in the first place. I had two sons at USNA (’01 and ‘02), but discipline has been going downhill for years.

There's nothing wrong, in theory, with having women at the service academies. The "problem" stems with the fact that the women at the service academies are held to different standards than the men.

21 posted on 04/23/2008 7:11:39 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: oldsalt
"How does having women in the military improve combat effectiveness or even day to day discipline?"

It doesn't, it has to be compensated for.

22 posted on 04/23/2008 7:41:18 AM PDT by ansel12 (FLDS , Don't mess with Texas.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost; PurpleMan
There's nothing wrong, in theory, with having women at the service academies.

I reply, with respect, that there is something wrong with women at the academies.

It is not good or proper for women to have to fight, or want to fight, this country's wars. It is the duty of the men to do that. My wife said it well, "A woman's job is to make Marines, not be one."

You are right, of course, it cannot be changed back, but I am hoping for our culture to return to the old roles, the biblical roles, for men and women. Where every woman lived under the provision and protection of a man; either her husband, brother, or father.

I know I am old fashioned in this regard, but it would grieve me to know that my daughter, if I had one, would think it a better life to be in the military rather than making a godly home for her family.

23 posted on 04/23/2008 3:16:38 PM PDT by good1
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To: good1

“I am hoping for our culture to return to the old roles, the biblical roles, for men and women. Where every woman lived under the provision and protection of a man; either her husband, brother, or father.”

Sounds just like Sharia law to me


24 posted on 04/23/2008 4:50:33 PM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: good1
I know I am old fashioned in this regard

I know you're being sincere, and I mean this in the kindest possible way, but that's just backwards thinking, my friend. When you assign some sort of gender roles to the different sexes, you're automatically placing artificial limits on them, and therefore, you're restricting the liberty of human beings---as in their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness---and to do that is decidedly un-American.

Sexual plumbing, in this day and age, has little bearing on one's fitness as a Naval or Marine Corps officer. If a woman can meet the same commissioning requirements that a man must meet, there's no reason she shouldn't be commissioned as an officer . . . and every commissioning source should be open to a woman. It's only fair.

25 posted on 04/24/2008 6:15:41 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: PurpleMan
If you want them out of the academies, then they should be out of the ROTC’s, too. What’s the next? Bar them from serving? That’s your next logical step.

Correct.

Here's one way to look at it: Why don't we use children in our military, and put them in harm's way? There are in fact jobs they could do competently. The Moslems obviously recognize this. But it is obscene to suggest it, doesn't it?

We have this idea that the whole point of a military is to protect our society's vulnerable core, from which the life of our people is nourished and preserved. Children are obviously part of that, since they are our future. Throughout history, women have been recognized as part of our core as well. Not to so recognize them is to ignore the facts of biology. And it seems crass and disrespectful of womanhood.

The other problem is that of military effectiveness. The fact is that, because a woman's body is built to gestate and nourish babies and small children, it is a walking vulnerability, compared to a man's body. Years of experience with women in martial arts, including black belts, has only confirmed this reality.

"No changing it," is an understandable response. But unchangeable things change all the time—such as the all-male military and law enforcement we grew up with. Such as the primacy of General Motors. And so on.

26 posted on 04/24/2008 7:51:22 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: oldsalt

Women in the service sure did improve MY morale! That promotes good order and discipline in and of itself.


27 posted on 04/24/2008 8:00:18 AM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: SamuraiScot

Enjoy your continued work a Bob Jones University


28 posted on 04/24/2008 8:07:30 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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