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If calls about sect were fake, will it matter?[FLDS]
Houston Chronicle ^ | 21 Apr 2008 | GARY SCHARRER and LISA SANDBERG

Posted on 04/22/2008 3:40:19 PM PDT by BGHater

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To: sam_paine

Same, you know people do that. That’s why the Good Lord gave us minds—so we can think about things. We read articles, we think about them, we come to conclusions.

But we’re just people posting on a message board here. We’re not a jury. We can think what we want, make up our minds as we please. We can be prejudiced for or against the cultists, and it won’t matter.


21 posted on 04/22/2008 4:40:31 PM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: SouthTexas

We don’t know. We haven’t been privy to all of the evidence, just what’s been released to the media. It’s quite possible that they have a LOT that they haven’t released yet.


22 posted on 04/22/2008 4:43:38 PM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: sam_paine

It happens all the time, no matter what the government haters around here say, although they aren’t going to say it is overstepping to investigate.


23 posted on 04/22/2008 4:45:31 PM PDT by Politicalmom (The children were taken because they were either being raised to be raped, or raised to be a rapist.)
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To: CindyDawg

That’s why I included “family law” which covers wives of all ages and even occasional husbands.


24 posted on 04/22/2008 4:46:04 PM PDT by SouthTexas (If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!)
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To: SouthTexas

Hospital records are confidential.

Children’s hospital records even more so.

When my granddaughter had a burst appendix, and my daughter wanted me to explain the chart, she had to sign permission in front of the supervising nurse, I had to present ID.

No problem. But they ARE confidential.


25 posted on 04/22/2008 4:48:32 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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To: Judith Anne

The state can and does review them though.


26 posted on 04/22/2008 4:50:40 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: MizSterious

Understood on the evidence, was also wondering if anyone else had thought about it.


27 posted on 04/22/2008 4:50:54 PM PDT by SouthTexas (If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!)
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To: CindyDawg

If they lied about their names, and they paid in cash, it might be difficult to track.


28 posted on 04/22/2008 4:52:06 PM PDT by Politicalmom (The children were taken because they were either being raised to be raped, or raised to be a rapist.)
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To: Politicalmom

Maybe not. How many broken ribs were there that day? ERs usually copy id and someone had to sign.


29 posted on 04/22/2008 4:56:14 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg

True, the state does. But not for the media, and we should really never know what the records hold.


30 posted on 04/22/2008 4:58:17 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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To: Politicalmom

You seem to be very invested in this topic. Is your faith in government agencies so strong that no one should question the government? Almost 220 years of laws have evolved to protect the citizenry from an over reaching government.

Do you remember the McMartin family? I have asked this before and no one wants to respond. If you don’t remember, google it up. What CPS and the government did to those people was horrific and reprehensible. I don’t know anything about the FLDS or how true the charges are, first hand. But, I am a true believer in due process. If there was wrong doing down there, it will be found out. Why not do it the right way? The whole application for a search warrant has a smell about it. And, piggybacking a second warrant based on information found executing the first, leaves many wondering why it could not have been done without the shell game.


31 posted on 04/22/2008 4:59:22 PM PDT by burroak
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To: Judith Anne

Correct. However the law requires notification in abuse cases.


32 posted on 04/22/2008 4:59:32 PM PDT by SouthTexas (If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!)
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To: SouthTexas

Yes, absolutely.


33 posted on 04/22/2008 5:01:44 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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To: MizSterious

...and sometimes, we read aticles, we think, Hmmmm.

And we don’t make up our minds.

This cult seems like a sorry group, IMHO.

And I think they may win a LARGE tort against TX, also IMHO, for the abuse of law that we see.

We are for the rule of law, right? Are we?

A search warrant usually names a house to be searched, people of interest, etc.

Not, for instance, “The City of Philidelphia - and, finding an underage pregnant girl therin, all domiciles within the city limits, with all children to be seized, until the DPS declares otherwise.”


34 posted on 04/22/2008 5:04:25 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: Politicalmom

Fair enough.

But if little girls are being raped, then when the govt raids the place, they damn well better get valid evidence for conviction.

OTOH, if these people are just weird, then some folks at CPS ought to lose their livelihoods to offset the damage they did to the children’s families.

Might find out that it’s some of both. Damn shame.


35 posted on 04/22/2008 5:05:15 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: burroak

Actually, I question the government all the time. I frequent the jack booted thugs threads, and am usually NOT on the LEOs’ side.

THIS case has been handled according to law. People around here act like no warrant has ever been based on a call. Some are based on anonymous calls. Obtaining a deeper warrant because of observed lawbreaking also happens all the time.

I guess if you had seen a whole gaggle of little rape victims, and a bunch of children who couldn’t identify their parents, you would have tipped your hat and left the rapists to get on with it.

They are investigating at this point. I don’t see how you think they could have just left the rape victims there to be raped some more while they toddled off and tried to investigate from the outside.

If they had dragged the men off (illegal), or even asked them to leave, y’all would be screaming about THAT.


36 posted on 04/22/2008 5:06:58 PM PDT by Politicalmom (The children were taken because they were either being raised to be raped, or raised to be a rapist.)
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37 posted on 04/22/2008 5:08:00 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: CindyDawg

I don’t believe she identified the hospital. Who knows how far they would have driven to confuse the issue.


38 posted on 04/22/2008 5:08:11 PM PDT by Politicalmom (The children were taken because they were either being raised to be raped, or raised to be a rapist.)
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To: sam_paine

Actually, if you don’t let them in, they either go get the police and try to intimidate their way in, or go to your kid’s school and interview them there, without you knowledge or consent.

And if they find anything, and they will if they want to, your kids simply don’t come home that day. You have no idea where they are because social services won’t give you the name of the foster parents to protect them.


39 posted on 04/22/2008 5:11:57 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: CindyDawg

I have broken my ribs twice - never bothered a doctor about it. Not much they can do for you, outside an ace bandage and a large bill.

So put a bandage on it, and drive on.

Oh, wait - some fundementalist idiot went to the hospitol for a broken rib?

Ummmmm....I have problems with suspension of disbelief.


40 posted on 04/22/2008 5:12:51 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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