Posted on 04/22/2008 3:40:19 PM PDT by BGHater
Hoax callers cost taxpayer dollars and are guilty of crime[s] against the state.
Anonymous calls are allowed because nobody rats on a rat better than another rat.
Selective enforcement occurs all the time, for various reasons from the logistics of manpower right on up. We have a good legal system in this country—not a perfect one, but good. When they go totally rogue, as they did at Ruby Ridge and Waco, that is when we should gather up our tar, feathers and pitchforks. But when there is a valid and legal warrant, as there was in this case, maybe we should let this play out and see what the courts find.
“They should go after all of them, independent of race, PC class, etc.”
‘Go after?’ Without cause? For no reason? Did it not occur to you that the cops outside the mosque in the DFW area were there because the mosque ASKED them to be there?
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“You don’t think these cops/sherriff would’ve been much more reluctant about breaking down Rev Wright’s church’s door on the anonymous phone call of a non-existant 16 yr old?”
First of all, ‘reluctance’ is not in the job description of a LEO. Secondly, the phone call was not found to be fraudulent until after the fact. FYI, the order of action when CPS gets a complaint is to verify the complaint, not the caller. And verify it, they did.
The phone call hasn’t even been found fraudulent, period. They’re still investigating. And, as I read the articles, there was a series of phone calls to a womens abuse hotline before the raid. After the raid, some crazy liberal from Colorado called and pretended to be the original caller. Presumably she will continue to be a delegate for Obama, but they certainly did not raid the place because of her phone call.
That is exactly my point as well.
I repeat:
* If there was child abuse going on there, then the CPS and LEOs DAMN WELL better have done their jobs and have their case solid against the perps enough to get them convicted in court.
* If there wasn't, then the people at CPS who auth'd this should lose their jobs...not just let us taxpayers take the hit on paying out the 400+ lawsuits.
* Meanwhile, the pitchforkers who want to string these people up before they're tried need to, as you say, 'let this play out in court' before they start the bonfire.
No, people have minds, and they WILL make them up one way or another. If you want mindless robots who don’t come to conclusions until someone tells them what to think, maybe you’re on the wrong site.
Nope,
no pitchfork here. And I’ll argue constitutional rights with you all day.
My focus is on the rights of the children and ‘wives’ in the compound and the the violation of their freedoms under the constitution. Call it what you will, but it’s slavery in the 21st century.
Sterious 5 minutes later: "No, people have minds, and they WILL make them up one way or another. If you want mindless robots who don't come to conclusions until someone tells them what to think, maybe you're on the wrong site."
Are you arguing with yourself?
Not to my knowledge. Why? Are you saying you can have an opinion, but I can’t? How very....fLDS of you!
PM, my comments page is overloaded now, so I won’t ask to be on the FLDS list, but if there is something really new or different, will you ping me to specific threads? Thanks.
You can have all the opinions you want, indeed!
They would be easier to discuss if they didn’t change from post to post.
I think we actually agreed for about two consecutive posts.
You can have the last words on any thread you find me on. Gday!
Thanks for clarifying. IIRC, the calls to the hotline were received by Flora Jessop [related to Carolyn Jessop?] who said, “oh my! It’s them!”
Of what I’ve read, it’s disturbing that an LDS member left after he thought what he’d been asked to construct was a crematorium. That young men are ‘cast out’ when they begin to grow hair. And what they do with females is beyond scary.
Sam, a person can have an opinion, and still let it play out in the court! Geez. I’m not on the jury, after all. (Nor will I ever be, since I’m in a whole other state.)
Explain “valid and lawful”. What is valid about obtaining a warrant on gossip.
Your position is the same one that the McMartin family faced. That case was fraught with this kind of stuff. Google up the McMartin case and see for yourself what our government is capable of when left unchecked. That will give you a working definition of “fascist.”
I’m for convicting every prep down there. Just do it with the due process that will stand up to challenges in the courts.
It wasn’t gossip. Anonymous calls are used to report crimes all the time. People aren’t convicted on the basis of an anonymous call—they’re convicted on any evidence gathered as a result of that call.
An anonymous call, not vetted, IS by definition gossip. Dang!
That is not a legal definition, and wouldn’t hold up as an argument in most (maybe not any) courts.
I did address your points...such as they were.
You, without proof, claim that Texas didn’t do this “the right way”.
I claim that they followed established law, and covered their bases. Two search warrants AND an unnecessary court order proves that.
The fact that there are multiple pregnant children, and a temple doucument listing underage “marriages” is CERTAINLY sourced creditably, using court documents.
Stop that. I’m starting to like you.... :p
Besides, this is a tiny area. Blaming “selective enforcement” in other areas on them is not fair.
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