If calls about sect were fake, will it matter?[FLDS]

Houston Chronicle ^ | 21 Apr 2008 | GARY SCHARRER and LISA SANDBERG

[brytlea]

I have concern for the girl, if she’s real (and I’m inclined to believe she is) and if they DO NOT have her, what happened to her? She is in my prayers.
susie

[brytlea]

It’s so hard to imagine living in a group where someone (and I don’t mean the govt) could just decide that your husband did something they didn’t like and you and your kids could be *reassigned* to another husband. Or your kids could just willy nilly be sent to some other commune.

I don’t like the idea of kids being removed from their families period, but it appears that this was being done before the state of TX ever got involved.

It will be interesting to see what all comes out.

Perhaps I’m completely wrong and there was no wrongdoing and these kids will all be sent right back to their families. And I will thank God for that. I just don’t believe that will be the case, however, if it is, I’ll be glad I was wrong.
susie

[brytlea]

It’s amazing to me that he’s having contact with them even from jail. Never having been in jail, I’m not sure how that works.

susie

[the808bass]

Someone wants on a ping list. Do we have an actual ping list for this topic?

If you're pinging peoples, could you add me? Much grace.

[pandoraou812]

I agree with you on that. If you are going to call on abuse then you ought to be willing to take the stand IMHO. However the CPS say they wouldn't get abuse calls if they made people give their names.

I know from the one boy I brought up that I was more then willing to get on the stand. The parents knew I would do it & so I got William with no strings. I also was lucky enough not to need DYFS giving me any money to support him.

[brytlea]

I agree that the state should go after people who make false complaints. Do they not?
susie

[CindyDawg]

If they don’t know who called how can they?

[brytlea]

You have a point. I wonder how many of their cases are anonymous calls?
susie

[GOPJ]

What is wrong with these women? They out number the men. As a collective group they could have taken these men down.

Look at how the women dress - they're into kinky S&M (religious style) stuff - heave on the "M". Long ugly dresses, fake modesty, hair in "uptight" buns.

Yeah, they'll "submit" - and submit and submit. Kinky, creepy adults, but still adults.

But having their innocent young daughters in the sick game? No way. Take the children away from them. Lock 'em up - throw away the key or ship them off to San Francisco...

[CindyDawg]

The caller could be released from any future involvement and be assured that their info would be kept confidential but I don't like anonymous. I used to be a manager and my staff knew that any unsigned complaints put under my door would be thrown in the trash can unless I considered someone in danger.

[Judith Anne]

since when, you can’t even search a hotel like that. Each address needs its own warrant. I have seen local police in Virginia get tripped up by that. This is just one of the problems that are going to come up at trial.

The search warrant states specifically what can be searched. The judge signs it or not. If signed, whatever is listed on the warrant can be searched.

[pandoraou812]

From what my neighbor tells me most fake callers do not leave a name. However if its done repeatedly they will note it & if you are breaking no laws they overlook the calls if they are always the same. Some people will go to court to get an order to stop DYFS from bothering them all the time. Many people just let them in as they aren’t abusing the children. At this point I really don’t think I would let DYFS in my house without calling my lawyer. I don’t know what they could find but I am taking no chances anymore.

[bonfire]

Two of the men from the compound were visiting Jeffs in prison when the raid took place.

[pandoraou812]

I agree with you.

[metmom]

And of course, the parents are rarely happy with you, and I bet most of the kids don’t want to be removed from their homes, even when abuse is going on.

That's true. In the case down the street from us, it even involved incest and the kids were still angry about being taken away from their home. It was their home and their mother, wrong as it was.

[Wallace T.]

From Roman times to the late 19th Century, the age of consent for marriage in Britain and the rest of Europe was 14 for males and 12 for females. It was increased in almost all U.S. states after 1880 for a number of reasons, including mandatory public education, the decline in self-sufficient households as urbanization increased, and better health knowledge. Polygamy was illegal in Europe after the Christian church became dominant, as both Scripture (I Corinthians 7:2) and the church fathers (Tertullian in On Exhortation to Chastity) condemned any sexual relationship outside of heterosexual monogamy.

That being said, I would have greater respect for the Texas authorities if they would apply their strong arm tactics more consistently. Yet I doubt they would send the lawmen and social workers into the low income neighborhoods of Houston, Dallas, and the other cities of Texas and apply the same standard to the teenaged unwed mothers and the adult men who sired their children. However, "picking on" blacks and Hispanics in the underclass is taboo, but members of an unpopular and isolated cult are apparently fair game.

[norton]

"...look how many freepers we have here who've already thrown the switch on old sparky based on the accusations of government bureaucrats.
Scary."

THAT is worth a bump, ping, repeat, and a silent prayer.

Between FR and Fox someone should just pass out blindfolds and cigarettes.

(Wait a sec...Mormons don't smoke)

[sleddogs]

Police in Colorado Springs have arrested a woman for investigation of making a false report to authorities that may be connected to the Fundamentalist LDS Church’s raid on the YFZ Ranch in Texas.

The woman allegedly has a history of making calls while pretending to be a young girl.

Rozita Swinton, 33, was arrested on a warrant charging her with false reporting to authorities, a misdemeanor, the Colorado Springs Police Department confirmed in a brief statement issued late Thursday. Swinton was arrested at her home on Wednesday in connection with an incident that occurred in Colorado Springs in February, police said.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695271689,00.html

Google: Rozita Swinton & Obama

After the El Paso County Democratic caucuses and convention, she was named one of the 360 delegates to the state convention at the World Arena on May 17, chosen to support Barack Obama.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/swinton_35513___article.html/father_abused.html

[CindyDawg]

Is it the same person?

[Politicalmom]

That is a week old, and there has been no connection proven to the Texas case.