If calls about sect were fake, will it matter?[FLDS]

Houston Chronicle ^ | 21 Apr 2008 | GARY SCHARRER and LISA SANDBERG

[pandoraou812]

I keep thinking that the call that started this whole thing had info that came from somewhere. So to the people who say its a hoax I wonder how this caller knew all about that ranch....I don’t see what the LEO should have done differently. Its a huge mess when you have people unwilling to be honest. I think the DNA is going to prove some of these children do not belong to their so called mothers but that is just my personal opinion.

[CindyDawg]

Don't blame you. I was speaking from a personal perspective. I have to make my grandkids go out and play. They would prefer to watch tv and movies. When I take them for a hamburger, instead of asking what they can have to eat, they want to know what toys are in the kids meal before deciding where to eat. I guess I'm an enabler though caz I let them get away with it:')

On a serious note though, a leader that would decide what the kids could play with, has way too much control over the "flock". What is wrong with these women? They out number the men. As a collective group they could have taken these men down.

[metmom]

I hear that there were actually two calls. They’ve revealed that the one is likely a hoax and are being REALLY quiet about the other one.

Isn’t it strange that the people who think the media is trying to snow us about what really went on in that compound, jump on the tidbit about it being a hoax when it comes from the same media, like its the Truth; written by the finger of God on tablets of stone?

[CindyDawg]

I think you are right. I read a strange article today where a “former” member at another compound came to Texas to get tested so he could claim his boys. He was upset that they were taken to begin with. Why would his boys have even been there?. This seemed to indicate to me that somewhere they have documentation about who came from where or belongs to who.

[brytlea]

This was not a town. It was apparently, 3 homes (large dormitories). I doubt they have a street address either, probably the whole property has an address something like a number and county road whatever.

I'm interested in the fact that there is a group of Freepers here who are more knowledgeable about the law than lawyers or judges. In fact, I asked one if he was a lawyer. He told me no, but that he had read all about the law and was sure he could pass the bar....

susie

[brytlea]

Apparently not....
susie

[pandoraou812]

In fact, I asked one if he was a lawyer. He told me no, but that he had read all about the law and was sure he could pass the bar....

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Well thats the first good laugh I have had all day. Thanks. Pandy

[brytlea]

Then you haven’t heard of many child abuse cases. They take ALL of the children in the home when abuse is suspected. Now, you may not like that law, but it is how it’s done. The only difference here is the number of kids involved.
susie

[brytlea]

So, you are a lawyer?
susie

[brytlea]

As for the supposedly hoax call, on Nancy Grace this evening, she seemed to be saying that the call from the person of interest came in AFTER the raid. I was sure that was what I heard her say. Did anyone else hear this?
susie

[brytlea]

Someone on Nancy Grace (honestly, I rarely watch her!) today said that the best wives and ALL of the children had been taken to the YFZ Ranch. If so, that would explain why many of the parents don’t want to be DNA tested. They are NOT the parents...
susie

[brytlea]

I wanted to correct myself here. I heard 3 dormitories, but just did a little googling and there may have been as many as 11 of them.
susie

[brytlea]

Glad to be of assistance. And...the funniest thing is, I didn’t make it up!
susie

[pandoraou812]

Here in NJ my neighbor is a DYFS worker. I have been talking about this to her over the past week quite a bit. If a parent is found to have drugs in their system they will check the other parent. The kids can stay usually if the parent is who is clean is the major caregiver & they offer help to the drug abusing parent. If both parents are on drugs the young children are taken until the parents can get clean & the case remains open until DYFS closes it. Six mouths to a year is about normal if the parents comply. DYFS will leave children that they deem to be in no danger in the house over the age of 14 yrs old.

My neighbor says each & every single call that comes into their office will & must be checked into. Even if its a fake call. Thats how they work & they do talk to children in school without a parent's permission. Sometimes thats they only way they can get the children to tell them what is really going on. She is watching this TX FLDS case with much interest because she feels it may affect her job in the future. So many calls are false made my fighting friends that it is a big waste of her time & the taxpayers money. NJ DYFS is a big mess & has been being overhauled for years.

[CindyDawg]

I just hope that if there is a Sarah that CPS has her. Someone earlier posted something about a girl that the FLDS wants an adult lawyer for. Sounds like they might be concerned.

[CindyDawg]

It’s sure looking that way, isn’t it?

[GOPJ]

You’ve got a whole town of 50 year old Mormon horndogs nailing 13 year old girls.

Lock ‘em up ... throw away the keys.

Bingo

[bonfire]

I watched her too. Yes, ALL the kids came from the other compound. Or that’s what was reported. So did the second tier in Utah/Arizona have to start all over again making babies? If this is true, then there wouldn’t be any children over the age of 5 in the other compound.

Time Utah and Arizona get into the act here. The wink wink/look the other way has gone on long enough. Arresting Jeffs was the tip of the iceberg. He’s still calling the shots from his cell.

[brytlea]

I’m sure there are so many problems in these systems that it would be a frustrating job. And a thankless one since so many people assume all govt workers are evil. And of course, the parents are rarely happy with you, and I bet most of the kids don’t want to be removed from their homes, even when abuse is going on.

Nothing human beings do will be perfect, but I also don’t see masses of people having their children removed because the govt doesn’t like their religion or their politics.

susie

[CindyDawg]

In Texas all complaints must be investigated. What I don't like is that it can be anonymous. The family reported does not have to know who called but the state needs to be able to go after people that make false complaints.