If calls about sect were fake, will it matter?[FLDS]

Houston Chronicle ^ | 21 Apr 2008 | GARY SCHARRER and LISA SANDBERG

[sam_paine]

CPS spokesman Darrell Azar said... "What matters is what we found there. We found a number of children as young as 13 who were being married and were giving birth to children and who were sexually abused and the judge agreed," Azar said.

"So it doesn't really matter what happens with that situation. Once we get a report, we're obligated — legally and morally — to investigate," he said.

[MizSterious]

The calls you asked about on the other thread—apparently it’s still up in the air.

[fishtank]

“CPS spokesman Darrell Azar said... “What matters is what we found there. We found a number of children as young as 13 who were being married and were giving birth to children and who were sexually abused and the judge agreed,” Azar said.”

That’s it in a nutshell. Everyone should quit been crybabies about this. You’ve got a whole town of 50 year old Mormon horndogs nailing 13 year old girls.

Lock ‘em up and throw away the keys.

[sam_paine]

My question is, if all it takes is an anonymous call, then why does CPS ever need any evidence to come in and take your children, find a bruise as evidence, or guns in the house, and arrest you for child abuse?

IOW, what incentive does someone like Aznar have to avoid making a false charge... and if he does, what method keeps the CPS from covering their tracks with trumped up BS?

[org.whodat]

An anonymous call that turns out to be a hoax "is completely after the fact and has no legal relevance," said Sandra Carnahan, who teaches criminal procedure at Houston's South Texas College of Law. "The issue will be whether the (search) warrant is valid on its face."

This lady has it correct. End of story!

[sam_paine]

That’s it in a nutshell.

Yeah. That's it. One government worker's word, a public PR campaign, and lock em up.

Knock, knock, knock.....CPS is at your door. You gonna let them take your kids to learn about anything you do that Mr. Aznar disapproves of, and file charges?

[MizSterious]

This case hasn’t gone to court yet. That’s where they’ll present the facts of the case.

[TLI]

If the calls turn out to be fake, some criminal defense lawyers said they doubt any criminal charges that may be filed in the case would stand up in court.

An anonymous call is not sufficient to grant a search and seizure, Houston lawyer Charles Portz said. "That's not probable cause. What other proof do they have?" he said.

State officials are confusing family law standards governing the interests of children with criminal conduct involving abuse with children, Harrington said.

Sandra Carnahan, who teaches criminal procedure at Houston's South Texas College of Law. "The issue will be whether the (search) warrant is valid on its face."

Completely wrong guy on the arrest and search warrant. He was never there, didn't marry any underage girl

Witness / victim probably does not exist. The entire story is probably just a fabrication.

No petitioners signature on the warrant.

If I were the judge that got conned into signing off on that first warrant I would be PIZZED.

This thing is unraveling like a cheap sweater.

[Selmore]

When will CPS start investigating the Moooooslims

[sam_paine]

[Court’]s where they’ll present the facts of the case.

Sure. But look how many freepers we have here who've already thrown the switch on old sparky based on the accusations of government bureaucrats.

Scary.

[BGHater]

Any clue why there is a gag order for the LEO but not the CPS?

[Judith Anne]

How is it unraveling?

[Chode]

depends on the Truthyness of it...

[CindyDawg]

CPS wants to be the one’s giving out the info?

[Politicalmom]

That wasn’t “all it took.”.

They served the initial search warrant. They observed evidence of possible statutory rape.

They obtained a SECOND warrant, based on that evidence. This is a perfectly legal procedure.

Then after questioning the children, they obtained an order of removal from the judge.

[Politicalmom]

I think something else is unraveling....

[SouthTexas]

Question:

In the original calls, "Sarah" (real or unreal unclear at present) said she was beaten and taken to the hospital.

This day and age with the child abuse laws and family laws that protect those abuse, there should be some sort of record, if not a police report.

Is there?

[CindyDawg]

Most likely she would have been “18” and fell off a horse or something.

[sam_paine]

They served the initial search warrant. They observed evidence of possible statutory rape. They obtained a SECOND warrant, based on that evidence. This is a perfectly legal procedure. Then after questioning the children, they obtained an order of removal from the judge.

Fine. As long as it's done according to the law, and that the judge exercises appropriate judgement when splitting up families, wierd bun hairdos or not..

I just wonder how likely, or how often CPS people have obtained a first warrant, NOT found sufficient evidence to get a subsequent warrant and admitted overstepping, or if they've just kept burrowing until they find something.