Posted on 04/21/2008 7:23:01 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
I was also informed that them seeking money means they're in substantially the same circumstances as someone standing alongside the road with a sign that says "Will work for food".
But then again, you mentioned the money aspect in relation to the immediate question. I mentioned support.
Then leave money out of it, assume "similar" in lieu of "equal", and proceed directly to answering the question.
Then there’s the “If you haven’t seen the film, you can’t have an opinion” routine.
And I gave you a link(also some names in another post) to get that question answered. You refuse to do so. My "obligation"(if it really existed) to you is complete.
I never said that. I asked if you had seen the film since I felt that your post gave the wrong impression of the aim of the film indicating you either misunderstood it, or had not seen it. I have an opinion of the film and I have seen it. You have an opinion about the film and have not seen it.
I know the routine. You send me off somewhere else to wade through their prostheletizing, and where I don't have any particularly good means of questioning the author about any of it.
Other poeple have seen it, and most of the one's I've talked to so far haven't disagreed with my assement. I have an opinion about The Vagina Monologues, too and I haven't seen that. I suspect my opinion of that may be quite different than a lot of people who did go to see it.
You are claiming that science isn't science unless it admits supernatural intervention into consideration, and that Dawkins can't be a scientist unless he admits ID is a valid scientific theory.
Needless to say, this is the point at issue.
Cf. Whether ID is science in the Dover Decision
It is notable that defense experts' own mission, which mirrors that of the IDM itself, is to change the ground rules of science to allow supernatural causation of the natural world, which the Supreme Court in Edwards and the court in McLean correctly recognized as an inherently religious concept.
No doubt, since you asked the question. You just didn't want an answer. The routine is, question those involved in the endeavor you seek. I repeat for the umpteenth time, this is argumentation. For an answer involving ID research, ask those that are involved in that endeavor.
ID seems to be unique in this regard. Normally when you run across enthusiastic proponents of some particular theory or line of research they are more than happy to explain it to you.
Okay, so now you have another in the "not most" group who does disagree with your "assessment".
My opinion of "The Vagina Monologues" is "I could care less". I really try to avoid making "assessments" on things I have not experienced. It would seem such a waste of time commenting on the things I don't know(experienced), since that set's cardinality is practically infinite. There's plenty to do with the things I do know.
Okay, your the second person that’s disagreed with it. I’m running at about 6-2.
Well, good for you, but I suspect that if you get a representative sample of the movie-viewers, you won't fare so well.
They most likely will be happy to explain it to you. But you have to ask them first. I mentioned Behe and Minnich and the Discovery Institute.
I’ve asked all over the place how they’re going to go about testing this, which seems problematic. I usually get silence, and occasioinally a link to a base url with the admonishion to “Go find it yourself!”. Usually that specific a question gets a direct answer, or a link to a specific document that talks about it.
Well, apparently I'm headed off to LV or Atlantic City to place bets. I'm not sure where you go to register a suspicion.
Of course it seems problematic, since the actual tests go with the hypothesis being tested. You have to ask a researcher for the hypothesis they are testing. Ask.
Here is a comment by a researcher who is probably not an ID proponent, yet the comment addresses a fundamental failing of the Darwinian paradigm.
One of the primary goals of our work on gene duplication is to explain the shortcomings of the classical model, which postulates that the usual fates of duplicated genes are either conversion to a nonfunctional pseudogene or acquisition of a new function. We believe that duplicate genes are frequently preserved through a partitioning of functions of ancestral genes, rather than by the evolution of new functions. We have developed methods to estimate the rate of origin and loss of duplicate genes, and we are currently studying the features of newly arisen duplicates that have not yet gone to fixation. In addition, we have recently shown that the modular regulatory-region architecture common in eukaryotes can spontaneously emerge in populations of sufficiently small size. These results challenge the popular idea[AC -- Now what would that be?] that modularity arises as a direct consequence of selection for morphological complexity, and by extension raise questions about the common assumption that natural selection was responsible for the emergence of multicellularity
That strikes at the core of Darwinism.
The same place where you to to register an opinion.
Why is it you have, and are willing to share that information, when you are obviously not the person doing the research, but seem to have a completely different set of rules for sharing information about ID research?
Maybe. Then again maybe not. It raises questions. Nearly all research does. Whether it “strikes at the core” of anything depends on what the answers are.
Because that is argumentation using public information. You can challenge that by providing your own public information. If you are a researcher you can even use yourself. ID research belongs to ID researchers. I am not an ID researcher. I can argue from public information provided by ID researchers and you can too by asking them.
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