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DNA frees man who spent almost 23 years in prison for rape
The Associated Press ^ | April 16, 2008 | Jeff Carlton

Posted on 04/16/2008 7:28:06 PM PDT by Strategerist

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To: Strategerist
I agree. Eyewitness ID is notoriously unreliable, but juries and other laypeople think its the opposite, especially coming from a sympathetic victim.
41 posted on 04/16/2008 7:58:12 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: Krankor
If the perp's unspeakable body fluids don't match the accused, well, yes. Rh factor, DNA, whatever.

/johnny

42 posted on 04/16/2008 7:58:48 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: Krankor
If there is no other evidence, then you believe the cops should just let the guy go?

If that's the ONLY evidence in a stranger rape, I'd never convict were I on a jury.

(I have been aon a jury and convicted someone of child molestation with no physical evidence and the testimony of the victim; perp was the boyfriend of the girl's grandmother. Turns out he had numerous priors for child molestation, and died of a heart attack two days after the conviction)

The basic problem here is eyewitness testimony is TERRIBLE, this has been proven again and again by psychological experiments; but the only knowledge people have of the legal system are movies and TV dramas - you NEVER see shows where an eyewitness makes a simple mistake.

43 posted on 04/16/2008 7:59:20 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: highimpact

You are absolutely right. This is not something new. People in law enforcement and even in civil law know well, and have known well for a long time, that eyewitness testimony is both the weakest from a reliability standpoint, but the strongest in influencing a jury.
It is a bit counterintuitive, but eyewitness testimony is not nearly as credible as most think. The courts, judges, and lawyers, including prosecutors, know it too. They also know that juries are heavily influenced by such testimony.
Why the deference to such inherently unreliable testimony?
Well, courts (i.e., government) make money out it, judges cravenly defer to the jury, criminal defense lawyers scream about it, but no one listens, and prosecutors use it to advance what are often political careers thereby violating their oath of office.


44 posted on 04/16/2008 7:59:28 PM PDT by BIV (a republican is not a republic; a democrat is not democratic)
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To: Strategerist

In cases like this in Florida, the state usually approves about $50K per year in prison payment to a wrongly convicted person. I have no problem with this at all, but I think whoever is responsible for delaying a DNA test should pick up the tab from the date they first declined to test the evidence.


45 posted on 04/16/2008 8:00:05 PM PDT by Diverdogz
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To: Strategerist

What most people don’t think about when they complain about “defendant’s rights” (”What about victim’s rights?”, they say), is that when you convict the wrong person of the crime, you simultaneously let the guilty party go free.


46 posted on 04/16/2008 8:00:15 PM PDT by onguard
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To: OeOeO

DNA has convicted tens of thousands more than it’s freed.


47 posted on 04/16/2008 8:00:21 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: RebekahT
it’s just a horrible, tragic mistake.

That is correct. And it tends to turn the alleged perp's life into a great big $h!t sandwich. And he'll have to eat on it for the rest of his life. Even if exonerated.

/johnny

48 posted on 04/16/2008 8:01:39 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: lesser_satan
I am. An innocent man lost half his adult life because of this woman. I want her, the cops, and the prosecution held to account. If that means reporters camped out on their front lawns for the next 5 years, so be it.

There is no such thing as an "innocent" man. He may not have been guilty of this crime, but we're all guilty of doing things or at least thinking things that are wrong.

Maybe he just wasn't punished for the right wrong, but it still might be right that he was punished. At least it wasn't wrong in that sense.

49 posted on 04/16/2008 8:01:50 PM PDT by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: Strategerist

We at least this isn’t the UK. When they find someone innocent on DNA and release them after 15 years, they charge them room and board.


50 posted on 04/16/2008 8:02:00 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: JRandomFreeper

Wow. You know, probably 90% or more of all crimes have no DNA evidence. Using your requirements, there’s gonna be an awful lot of criminals running free.


51 posted on 04/16/2008 8:02:28 PM PDT by Krankor (kROGER)
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To: Strategerist

Anything Barry Scheck is attached to has ten foot pole marks all over it..


52 posted on 04/16/2008 8:03:46 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: tear gas

You are insane. He was JAILED. He didn’t do it. Having impure thoughts of a girl he saw from a distance DOESN’T JUSTIFY SOCIETY LOCKING HIM UP FOR 23 YEARS!!!.


53 posted on 04/16/2008 8:04:41 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: tear gas
People need to understand that one of the reasons for putting people in prison is to make an example of them - deterrence. So, it really doesn't matter if the person you send to prison is actually guilty or innocent. It still serves as an example so long as the mistake is never exposed.
It is appeals like this one that cause the damage.


Maybe you should be jailed for twenty years for something you didn't do, you know, just as an example. Or did you leave out a /sarc tag.
54 posted on 04/16/2008 8:04:43 PM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: Krankor
There already are a lot of criminals running free. Take Congress, for example.

No offence meant to regular criminals....

/johnny

55 posted on 04/16/2008 8:05:26 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: Strategerist

im glad DNA freed man instead of the other way around.


56 posted on 04/16/2008 8:09:12 PM PDT by Disciplinemisanthropy (...and that, people, is what grinds my gears.)
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To: Malsua
Having impure thoughts of a girl he saw from a distance DOESN’T JUSTIFY SOCIETY LOCKING HIM UP FOR 23 YEARS!!!.

I think it's highly unlikely that this was the ONLY girl about which he had impure thoughts.

These things have a way of balancing out in the long run.

57 posted on 04/16/2008 8:09:14 PM PDT by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: FewsOrange
Maybe you should be jailed for twenty years for something you didn't do, you know, just as an example.

You're correct. I mean, he must be guilty of something. Speeding, leering at little boys, peering in the neighbor's pre-teen bedroom.

58 posted on 04/16/2008 8:09:29 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: JRandomFreeper

What if a woman meets a guy at a crowded party. They go back to her place and talk for eight hours. Then he rapes her. She then positively identifies the guy a week later. You’re saying that identification shouldn’t count if there is no DNA evidence?


59 posted on 04/16/2008 8:10:52 PM PDT by Krankor (kROGER)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Yes, which is the problem with some of these cases. It's not the be all end all. I have no knowledge about this case so I won't comment on it.

For every criminal convicted in which DNA played a part, guilty or innocent, it's now a shot at getting out. DNA evidence lost or degraded so no positive match? Judge orders a new trial, witnesses are dead or have been threatened or don't want to testify, the prosecution has no case and they decline to prosecute. "Wrongly convicted inmate freed".

Remember the Central Park Rapists? They bragged about what they had done and confessed with parents and guardians present. When the only DNA that could be tested showed another rapist was also involved they claimed that they were just innocent choirboys.

60 posted on 04/16/2008 8:10:55 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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