King's Niece: "Racism and Abortion Stem from the Same Poisonous Root"

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[Hildy]

Oh, excuse me...I had no idea that white abortionists were tying black women up, abducting them in the middle of the night and forcing them to have abortions...My mistake.

[Mr. Silverback]

Ahem.

[We propose to] hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. And we do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members. --Margaret Sanger, ommenting on the 'Negro Project' in a letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, December 10, 1939. - Sanger manuscripts, Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College, North Hamcpton, Massachusetts. Also described in Linda Gordon's Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America. New York: Grossman Publishers, 1976.

Note also that Ernst Rudin wrote a feature article on his methods for Sanger's Birth Control review. Who was Ernst Rudin? The Third Reich's Minister of Racial Hygiene.

[Hildy]

What does a quote from 70 years ago have to do with what I said? Your assumption is that black women are self-hating, or just so incredibly stupid. That’s the real racism in this debate.

[wagglebee]

Oh, excuse me...I had no idea that white abortionists were tying black women up, abducting them in the middle of the night and forcing them to have abortions...My mistake.

Why would it matter Hildy? According to YOU most women don't even regret having an abortion because if they did abortion would be much more rare.

So, why are you a pro-abortion (yes I know you prefer "pro-choice" but since the baby doesn't get a vote it's tough to call it a choice) with NO REGRETS even wondering about any of this?

[Hildy]

And let me add that living in the past never moves your argument forward. Come up with a quote from the last several years and then we’ll talk.

[wagglebee]

Planned Parenthood is gladly accepting donations that are SPECIFICALLY EARMARKED to abort black babies and this is from within the past MONTH.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1995511/posts

But again, why does this matter to you, you have said that most women don’t regret abortions.

[Hildy]

whenever we get to a place where we are talking about the “issue” you always retreat to a personal attack. That’s when I know you can’t respond.

You summed up my past comments correctly. But you must talk about the context of the comment. I mentioned the regret part on a thread about trying to shame women and convince them that they will regret it later in life. That never works. When a girl is 16 years old and pregnant...it’s a hard sell to convince her the reason to have the baby now is because she’ll be sorry 30 years from now.

The majority of women don’t regret it, and even those who do don’t report that it has ruined their lives. I’m not saying it never happens, but usually there are other issues involved. I was simply stating that this is not the argument you should hang your hat on...that’s all.

So yes, you’ve quoted me correctly, but totally out of context.

[Mr. Silverback]

What does a quote from 70 years ago have to do with what I said?

The founder of Planned Parenthood wanted to exterminate the Black race, and she was a Nazi sympathizer. Recently, PP offices around the country have taken money from a caller claiming he wishes to donate specifically to abort Black children so his kids won't have to compete with them for jobs. One PP fundraiser even told him she was "excited." Yet you say it is "pathetic" to believe that Planned Parenthood is racist.

Your assumption is that black women are self-hating, or just so incredibly stupid.

Ah, the usual liberal tactic: Answer facts with an unfounded personal charge. Yes Hildy, the reason I served under a Black pastor for the last 12 years and two of my children have Black godparents is because I'm a racist. You see, I wanted a self-hating, incredibly stupid woman to influence my children. The reason I see a Black doctor is because I'm a racist. And if I think it's suspicious that 12% of the population accounts for 36% of the abortions, then I can only think that if I'm a racist.

But the people killing 1,200 Black kids a day and throwing them in dumpsters...nope, they couldn't be racist at all. To think so would be pathetic.

You're a real double bacon genius burger. Thanks for helping me see the light.

[wagglebee]

whenever we get to a place where we are talking about the “issue” you always retreat to a personal attack. That’s when I know you can’t respond.

I have not made any personal attacks, I have reiterated your positions, because your positions have generally been contrary to pro-life positions this IS relevant. You are denying that there is a link between racism and abortion, you have been shown the links, you dismiss them out of hand. I offered a link where it is shown that Planned Parenthood accepts money from donors who REQUEST that it be used to abort black babies.

I simply wondered why you are even concerned when you don't think there is anything wrong with abortion per se (though I will admit that it is somewhat refreshing to see that you now acknowledge that babies are being killed).

[wagglebee]

Excellent Post!

[Mr. Silverback]

And let me add that living in the past never moves your argument forward.

So, conservatives should never quote the Founding Fathers? Give me a yes or no answer on that. If the FOUNDER of Planned Parenthood wanting to commit genocide against Blacks 70 years ago doesn't matter, then certainly it doesn't matter what George Washington thought about anything 220 years ago, right?

Come up with a quote from the last several years and then we’ll talk.

How about "I'm so excited"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LJVPVh5TWo

How about a guy who calls people he totally despises "n***ers" celebrating the "baby napalm" that rises out of a clinic smokestack?
The Baby napalm Video

Oops.

And remember, throwing dead Black kids in dumpsters every day doesn't make you a racist! Hildy says so!

[Mr. Silverback]

Thank you, sir!

[Hildy]

I’m still roaring from that link you supplied about donations specifically for killing black babies. You’ve never done any “fundraising,” have you. Money is money. The person taking the money doesn’t give a rat’s ass why the money is being donated. Can’t believe this is the best you can come up with.

That would be like someone giving money to an anti-illegal alien campaign asking them to use that money to kill illegals on site. Do you think the money would not be accepted because the giver is crazy? Please.

[trisham]

How about "I'm so excited"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LJVPVh5TWo

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Unbelievable.

[Hildy]

So, conservatives should never quote the Founding Fathers

HUH? Some of the founding father's owned slaves. Does that mean the whole purpose for founding of this Country is to own slaves? Of course not. Again, living in the past is no way to advance an argument.

[trisham]

I’m still roaring from that link you supplied about donations specifically for killing black babies.

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I'm shocked that anyone would not only find anything in this issue funny, but that they would believe that such a response would in any way be acceptable to others.

Abortion is hilarious, eh, Hildy?

[wagglebee]

I’m still roaring from that link you supplied about donations specifically for killing black babies. You’ve never done any “fundraising,” have you. Money is money. The person taking the money doesn’t give a rat’s ass why the money is being donated.

Oh? Then why did Planned Parenthood later issue an apology? Why not just say, "We don't give a rat's ass why the money is being donated"?

I suppose your one of the people who thinks that people like Hillary Clinton are perfectly within their rights to accept donations from questionable and illegal sources.

That would be like someone giving money to an anti-illegal alien campaign asking them to use that money to kill illegals on site. Do you think the money would not be accepted because the giver is crazy?

I would like to think that this would be reported to authorities.

[wagglebee]

HUH? Some of the founding father's owned slaves. Does that mean the whole purpose for founding of this Country is to own slaves? Of course not. Again, living in the past is no way to advance an argument.

Why does this issue trouble you so much Hildy?

Are you of the mindset that Martin Luther King's niece should have just "stayed on the plantation" with Jesse Jackson, et al.?

I would think that you would see that, throughout the course of history, genocide is nearly always carried out against a specific group that is defined by either their ethnicity of religion.

Does it not seem at all peculiar to you that while Planned Parenthood receives the bulk of its individual (non-government, non-business or foundation) donations from affluent liberals, they put most of their abortion centers in poor areas?

Do you know what I think? I think that you are scared that Dr. Alveda King will SUCCEED and more and more blacks will become pro-life conservative Republicans and then you and your crowd will once again feel like conservatives "have their foot on the neck" of the GOP. Is that it Hildy? Am I getting warm?

[Mr. Silverback]

HUH?

I know it's hard for you to put aside the emotions stemming from your infatuation with the Grim Reaper and pay attention, so I'll try again.

You say that it doesn't matter what Margaret Sanger wrote 70 years ago when she wished to exterminate the Black race means nothing and that caring what this FOUNDER of Planned Parenthood said is "living in the past.

Well, around 1775 or so we had a group of FOUNDERS who created a vision for a new, free nation, and eventually conceived and ratified a Constitution for it. So, to folllow your logic, none of us should care what the Founders said about slavery, liberty, proper governance or anything else, because they said it over 200 years ago.

So, the question to you is, why should we draw any conclusions about what America was supposed to be from the Founders if we can't draw any conclusons about Planned Parenthood from its founder? Is any conservative who appeals to the values of Washington and Jefferson "living in the past?" How about an appeal to the values of Reagan, is he recent enough?

Some of the founding father's owned slaves. Does that mean the whole purpose for founding of this Country is to own slaves? Of course not.

Why do you care what any of the Founders thought about slavery, or anything else?

[wagglebee]

You say that it doesn't matter what Margaret Sanger wrote 70 years ago when she wished to exterminate the Black race means nothing and that caring what this FOUNDER of Planned Parenthood said is "living in the past."

It really doesn't matter because even racist remarks that have been made by Planned Parenthood within the past several weeks are "just fundraising." Maybe Sanger just spoke at KKK events to make money.