Posted on 04/14/2008 5:30:58 AM PDT by dmartin
As many votes as the amnesty issue loses McCain on the right he will more then make up for on the left and with Ind. You seem to believe that McCain's personal issues somehow negate those of both Clinton and Obama. I strongly disagree. To compare either of the lib candidates with regards to character and veracity to McCain in any way but unfavorably is sheer folly. I also believe that you are giving the press far to much credit in their ability to engage in "King Making". It is a different day and the power of the press has been greatly mitigated by the web and talk radio.
Research McCain’s past if you don’t think the Dems and media can destroy him, handily. Read up, then ask how hard it would be to get the mushy middle to mush back over to the Dems. Like you said, for them it comes down to likeability.
You’re a partisan for McCain. There is probably little or nothing he could do or have done that will sway you against him. But you are not the type of voter who will decide this election.
Like I said previously, the lefties will vote for Obama and the righties will vote against him. It is the middle who will decide, and they aren’t the slightest bit emotionally invested in McCain or Obama right now. It won’t take all that much to sway them. Just like all it took to sway voters away from Kerry was the Swiftboat Vets.
Think back on how much impact President Bush’s DUI revelation made in October 2000. He was several points up in the polls before that came out. Yet, he almost lost the election over one shocking news story that made people think, “He’s not the person I thought he was.”
As for the alternate media and their power, the moderates who will decide this election don’t pay much attention to them. They get their news in 60 seconds soundbites from the radio in between their favorite songs. They don’t listen to talk radio or discuss politics on the internet.
The best they can do about McCain is bring up the Keating 5 thing and that's ancient history. All the things you consider to be “death” to McCain will be things the Independents find attractive such as his soft position on illegals. Frankly I don't even know what all these awful things you speak of are. Why not list therm all?
“It is ALL on film and will be replayed endlessly ad nauseum.”
Where and by whom? McCain? Pulease. He’s made it clear he won’t go there. The MSM? Obviously not. Talk radio? Moderates don’t listen. Sites like this? They’re not here. And they didn’t watch the debate last night, either.
The Dem primary is a train wreck, and McCain is benefitting right now, although he’s still within the margin of error with Obama according to Rasmussen. He actually lost a point between yesterday and today. You’d think he’d be up by 20 points with the freak show on the left. A better candidate would be.
As soon as the primary is wrapped up and a nominee is chosen, the lefties will be singing kum bah ya. All of this sound and fury will be forgotten by October when the undecideds start deciding. It will come down to the mushy middle and it will come down to likeability. And it will be a squeaker.
The Keating story is nothing. Look up why McCain is nicknamed “Songbird” by the POW-MIA community. Look up why there’s no love lost there. Read about his actions during the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs hearings and understand why so many vets like me hold him in absolute, utter and complete contempt. War hero, my @ss.
It’s all been posted here before, more than once. And every time the McCain supporters screech and scream and call those posting McCain’s life history (all of which is independently documented by people who have nothing to gain) everything but decent human beings. And frankly, I’m sick of taking cr@p from partisans who would still vote for McCain if he raped babies in the Capitol steps.
To some the “R” or “D” is ALL that matters, and they will not be dissuaded. Neither will you, but you will get an eye-opening experience, if you care to know the truth.
And I'm STILL waiting for you to give me a list of all these horrible things the libs will “enlighten” the public with concerning the deep dark back round of McCain.
So let's see some facts to back up what appears to be nothing but wishful thinking and hot air so far.
I told you where to find the information. Google “McCain songbird” and start reading. BTW, it’s quite telling that you haven’t done that simple exercise yet. Or do a search here. It’s all been posted numerous times. Or wait until October and read it in the MSM along with the moderates, independents and crossover voters that McCain needs to win.
As for how McCain will respond, I have a feeling that the kid who was nicknamed “Punk” in high school and “McNasty” in the Navy, and who has screamed “F*ck you” at other Senators on the Senate floor, won’t take it well when the SwiftPOWs go after him.
If McCain made a radio broadcast as is claimed, where are the tapes, are you saying NO ONE taped these transmissions? It is clear there are many out there, you included that despise McCain. He is not my choice for the Party but he is our candidate and a far, far better choice then either of the lib choices.
That said it is no secret, except from you perhaps, that no man or women can keep from talking in the face of real torture. Hell even water boarding breaks EVERYONE in under a minute.
Many of the stories of his “treason” come from the North Vietnamese themselves and are meaningless as far as I'm concerned. An attempt by the liberals to demean McCain's service to America by calling him a traitor using other lefties will be seen through as the attempt of a truly desperate Party who will stoop to any level.
I have followed and been involved in politics for over 35 years and believe me when I tell you the love affair America has with it's military is real. Any attempt to discredit a POW without HARD incontrovertible evidence and not just words of the enemy and left wing loonies will simply blow back in their faces.
My take is that when the dust settles and the libs are through destroying each other and providing both McCain and the RNC with all the material they need from the lips of the libs themselves, McCain wins by a minimum of 10 points and does so by carrying the Ind vote and reaping the rewards of the disenchanted liberals who will simply lose interest when their candidate loses in the primary. Hussein supporters will likely riot when it happens (if it does) and stay home in droves, if not vote in part for McCain, and Hillary voters will simply vote for McCain in even larger part rather then Obama, simply because the left is more racist then the Rep ever thought about being.
When you manage to come up with some REAL PROOF of what McCain did that was so horrible them I'd be interested in seeing it but so far all you have is a few McCain haters running off at the mouth. Btw, if you really believe McCain's telling another Senator to go f*ck himself, or words to that effect, will hurt him then you are living in an alternate reality. McCain said what 75% of Americans are thinking. It might interest you to know that I am personally in touch on a regular basis with one of the SBV. If you believe these guys are going after McCain you are truly on drugs.
The same old? And yet, last post, you ostensibly knew nothing about it, LOL. The tapes exist. The Senate testimony is on You Tube. Others were convicted for doing less than Songbird did. Some of the proof is classifed at the Pentagon. Bill and Hill had access to all that info for eight years, so you better hope Obama’s the nominee. It’s the only chance McCain has.
I’m not sure it will take incontrovertible proof anyway. There was little proof against Kerry, other than the word of some very credible people. How many crying widows on 60 Minutes, who never found out what happened to their husbands because of John McCain, will it take to turn the average independent voter toward Obama? Not many, I’d wager.
The SwiftPOWs is my term. It’s not the same group of guys. They’re out there, ready to tell their story at the proper time.
The FU was to a conservative Senator, Thad Cochran, who opposed McCain on amnesty.
Thanks for the lecture on the American people and the military. I’m only a 24-year vet, so I need to be lectured on that stuff by a newbie. The military has all kinds (Jimmy Carter, John Murtha, Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright) and being a vet didn’t save John Kerry.
I never said I didn't know about the “McCain talked” story. I was looking for something NEW. The crap you spread is over 30 years old and the “it's classified” claim is typical of one who has an opinion lacking any proof.
As for me being a “newbie”. I spent 36 years in the military and retired an E-9. Your calling my credibility into question because you THINK I'm new to the forum or have no military experience further shows your total lack of reasoning. Since when does a 10 or 12 year member of this or any forum have a better grasp on politics then a member who joined yesterday? Do you believe being a long time member of FR somehow makes one smarter? LOL, have you ever READ some of the crap posted here.
Both Clinton and Hussein have shown themselves to be as phony as a three dollar bill and if nothing else Americans admire honesty. McCain is honest whether or not you agree with his positions. He was not my first choice or my second for that matter but he is 10 times better for this country then either of the 2 lib disasters.
You further seem to believe the secret group of vets you claim ready to emerge “when the time is right” will somehow be unopposed by similar groups such as the SBV. Your problem is you have made up your mind what you WANT to happen and are now frantically looking for ways to satisfy yourself it will come to pass.
Like I said, McCain in a walk, come November. The disarray you see on the Left is NOTHING compared to what is just around the corner.
“You have outed yourself as an anti McCain partisan.”
Ya think? I am an anti-McCain partisan. I have been entirely upfront about my position on McCain all along, and I have a lot of company here, including the owner of the forum.
“Since when does a 10 or 12 year member of this or any forum have a better grasp on politics then a member who joined yesterday?”
Not necessarily, but newbies who come on the forum and begin by vehemently standing up for one candidate or another are often campaign operatives. Longtime members know that and are rightfully suspicious. Do you work for the McCain campaign?
I said McCain wasn't my 1st or 2nd choice but that apparently sailed over your head. The fact you are on the same side as Robinson means precisely zero in this discussion. Is that how you make up your mind? Are your positions based on what others think? That shows a total lack of leadership on your part. What did you do for 24 years in the Navy, sweep the deck on a Carrier?
It's like I said. You are against McCain so you manufacture scenarios that will occur to bring about his defeat thereby validating your feelings. The question is what will you say when he blows away the lib candidate in the Fall?
My guess is you will have nothing at all to say and will move on to another subject. It's what people like you do.
“LOL, no I don’t work for the McCain people but I suspect you have an affinity for the Hussein and Billary folks.”
So, if I don’t like strawberries, that automatically means I like raspberries? You’ve never studied logic, have you? It’s not my fault if neither party has produced a candidate I can vote for.
“I said McCain wasn’t my 1st or 2nd choice but that apparently sailed over your head.”
And that precludes your being part of the McCain campaign, how? Most of his operatives have come from other campaigns.
“You are against McCain so you manufacture scenarios that will occur to bring about his defeat thereby validating your feelings.”
You are for McCain so you manufacture scenarios that will occur to bring about his victory validating your feelings. Therefore, you are correct and I am wrong because...you’re you and I’m me? LOL!
“The question is what will you say when he blows away the lib candidate in the Fall?”
If that happens I’ll say, “Lookee there, I was wrong,” and go live my life.
“The fact you are on the same side as Robinson means precisely zero in this discussion. Is that how you make up your mind? Are your positions based on what others think?”
Of course not. You said I had “outed” myself as though my position is shameful and not widely shared here. I was merely pointing out that it is.
“That shows a total lack of leadership on your part. What did you do for 24 years in the Navy, sweep the deck on a Carrier?”
Since you had to go and pull out a ruler, mine’s longer. Much. I’m a officer, having done 11 years active and as of today, over 14 reserve. Unless you’re an officer with stars on your uniform, you don’t outrank me. So that’s “LadyNavyVet, ma’am” with a sharp salute from you, E-9.
“My guess is you will have nothing at all to say and will move on to another subject. It’s what people like you do.”
And that guess is about as accurate as your November predictions. Got any more logical fallacies and childish personal insults to impart, E-9? I’m enjoying this!
It's common knowledge most officers couldn't hit their own asses with both hands if they had printed instructions.
You're dismissed, (sweetie) troop.
See ya.
“It’s common knowledge most officers couldn’t hit their own asses with both hands if they had printed instructions.”
LOL! Hit a nerve, did I! How ‘bout you tell that to General Petraus, E-9.
Buh-bye. You were mildly entertaining, I’ll give ya that.
Just to keep it legit, I did say MOST officers. So maybe the good General wouldn't need instructions.
Buh-bye. You were mildly entertaining, I’ll give ya that.
Yeah, Not bad yourself, at least for a salty old Navy broad who has the misfortune to be an officer on top of it all.
Maybe I'll see ya at the big round up and I'll allow you to buy me a drink or 3 while I teach you what the REAL military is all about. You'll recognize me right away. I'm about 6'4", 220, no fat, short hair with a touch of gray at the temple and green eyes with flecks of gold in them that sparkle when I face the sun. If you make all the right moves with me, who knows, you might get lucky.
See ya, this soldier is 10-7
Oh brother.
Some officers are worthless....some non-com’s are worthless. I was raised in an entire family of non-com’s, and I was the first officer in the family (AF Academy, Class of ‘77), and my eldest son is a Capt. in the Army (15 months in Iraq as a Stryker platoon leader, worst parts of Iraq, brought ALL of his guys back unscathed; Bronze Star winner). Not all of us O-something’s are zeros, my FRiend. You’re probably just having fun here, but that’s a bit of a raw nerve. I’ve heard enough of chest-thumping non-com’s in my day putting down officers who busted their ASSES to get where they are, do the best jobs they know to do.
Think of it this way. The military would run just fine if all command slots were filled by E-8’s and E-9’s. Most of them have 25-30 years or more experience and know how to get the job done by tip toeing around the rules when necessary. Many O's are to involved with their rank to be really effective. I said MANY, not all. Only you know which group you fall into.
“So maybe the good General wouldn’t need instructions.”
Maybe? That’s the second time you’ve dissed officers. What a way to talk about your “war hero” and Presidential candidate, CAPT “Ace” McCain, USN. He, of course, also needs GPS coordinates, or just Lindsay Graham, who, you may have noticed, doesn’t walk a full pace behind anymore.
“...you might get lucky.”
Doubt it. Men who make women feel “lucky” don’t have to proposition anonymous, happily-married women on the internet.
“...this soldier is 10-7”
More like 10-96.
Like many officers you also lack a sense of humor.
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