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Hatfill v. US - DOJ and FBI Statement of Facts (filed Friday)
US DOJ and FBI Memorandum In Support of Motion For Summary Judgment (Statement of Facts) | April 11, 2008 | Department of Justice

Posted on 04/13/2008 8:20:52 AM PDT by ZacandPook

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To: ZACKandPOOK

Anthrax Attacks on the US in 2001

Dead In The Woods: Uncovering a Nightmare World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dhcANuclp0

Words are superfluous with flavor this luminous.
http://www.mintertainment.com/videos/video/Tic_Tac_Rap


961 posted on 06/16/2008 6:06:05 AM PDT by ZACKandPOOK
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To: ZACKandPOOK

The unexpected attack that should have been expected.

9/11 Anthrax
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feC76gxmlag

http://www.mintertainment.com/videos/video/Lengths_Some_Will_Go_For_A_Tic_Tac


962 posted on 06/16/2008 6:20:45 AM PDT by ZACKandPOOK
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To: TrebleRebel

There’s a new book with a chapter on the deadly serious, synthetic game played for keeps.

The “Anthrax Attacks” Of 2001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7WsSs_-w_U

http://www.mintertainment.com/videos/video/Playing_Tic_Tacs_(Toe)_For_Keeps


963 posted on 06/16/2008 7:20:40 AM PDT by ZACKandPOOK
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To: ZACKandPOOK

Here is an interview of Richard Spertzel and David Franz on the sophistication of the anthrax.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45YhI4VE0LE&feature=related

Dr. Franz is both authoritative and approachable.

Dr. Rebel, if you overcame your cognitive rigidity, you would realize that you are right. You need to be a new you.

http://www.mintertainment.com/videos/video/Feel_Like_A_New_You_With_A_Tic_Tac


964 posted on 06/16/2008 7:29:45 AM PDT by ZACKandPOOK
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To: ZACKandPOOK

Specter and Leahy grill Gonzales on anthrax:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFwi0zF4a70&feature=related


965 posted on 06/16/2008 7:56:10 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: TrebleRebel

Director Mueller in January 2007, according to Attorney General G., expected “some sort of resolution” in the relatively near future. The Attorney General noted it was a very complicated investigation. (The investigation has been made all the more complicated by the need to coordinate with the prosecution of legal matters and work with powers-that-be abroad.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFwi0zF4a70

Problem is: some of the best things said never really happened.
http://www.mintertainment.com/videos/video/Top_Things_Never_Said_About_Tic_Tacs


966 posted on 06/16/2008 8:55:26 AM PDT by ZACKandPOOK
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To: ZACKandPOOK

The radio commentator Alex Jones questions why the cabinet was on Cipro before the attack. But given it has been public info since March 1999 that Zawahiri was planning to make an attack using anthrax — and the warning by February 2001 (see February 2001 PDB could not have been plainer), it is just uninformed to think it so surprising. Like the kid in the first video said, it would be stupid for them not to expect an anthrax attack such as had been announced Zawahiri would make — and to take rudimentary precautions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHB8LOb3JFg


967 posted on 06/16/2008 11:56:57 AM PDT by ZACKandPOOK
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To: ZACKandPOOK

This person makes the same mistake — not appreciating why the Administration went on Cipro before the attacks.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6582893228950228512&q=anthrax&ei=Fb5WSOm_H4jGrQL6v5DYDg&hl=en

(I bought my Cipro on 9/21. Didn’t everyone? Didn’t you get the memo or at least read the earliest NYT and WP news items about the cropduster inquiries?)

Are the people making such an argument really not aware of the vast amount of published information leading up to the taking of the Cipro? Moreover, the cropdusting documents on Moussaoui’s computer were immediately accessed.

http://www.anthraxandalqaeda.com

“Islamic Jihad ‘Confessions’ Described,” London Al-Sharq al-Awsat, (FBIS translation) March 3, 1999

“Bin-Laden Men Reportedly Possess Biological Weapons,” Al-Sharaq al-Awsat, March 6, 1999 (FBIS/FTS 19990306000273)

“US Said Interrogating Jihadist Over CBW,” Al-Hayat, April 21, 1999

“Muslim Calls for Bio-Weapon Holy War.” Sunday Times , September 5, 1999

Paul Daley, “Report Says UBL-Linked Groups Possess ‘Deadly’ Anthrax and Plague Viruses,” Melbourne Age (Internet version), June 4, 2000

“Risk Assessment of anthrax threat letters,” Defence R&D Canada, September 2001

“Chemical and Biological Weapons Pose Threat,” Associated Press, September 17, 2001

“David Siegrist: The threat from biological terrorism,” CNN, September 20, 2001

“Bioterrorism: Next Threat?”, Time Magazine, September 24, 2001

“Crop-Dusters Thought to Interest Suspects,” Washington Post, September 24, 2001, A1


968 posted on 06/16/2008 12:39:28 PM PDT by ZACKandPOOK
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To: EdLake; TrebleRebel

Ed, the single most authoritative thing said on Amerithrax was this press conference by FBI Director Mueller. Could you link it? Thanks.

Mueller on Anthrax Probe
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3897284532246058882&q=FBI+anthrax&ei=Wo1XSNnuLKj2rALurtngDg&hl=en


969 posted on 06/17/2008 3:29:18 AM PDT by ZACKandPOOK
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To: EdLake; TrebleRebel

Ed, the single most authoritative thing said on Amerithrax was this press conference by FBI Director Mueller. Could you link it? Thanks.

Mueller on Anthrax Probe
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3897284532246058882&q=FBI+anthrax&ei=Wo1XSNnuLKj2rALurtngDg&hl=en


970 posted on 06/17/2008 3:29:20 AM PDT by ZACKandPOOK
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To: ZACKandPOOK
I couldn't get that link to work with Netscape or FireFox. But this one seems to work okay with Internet Explorer: http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=917059n

I added it as the second-to-last in the list of links I put on my site yesterday.

Ed at www.anthraxinvestigation.com

971 posted on 06/17/2008 7:17:48 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: TrebleRebel

That 2007 “Synthetic Terror” book chapter credits the silica coating point. (See Amazon)

But I find Al Qaeda’s attack plans more probative.

Plans for attack

Jonathan Spyer, “The Al-Qaida Network and Weapons of Mass Destruction,” Middle East Review of International Affairs (September 2004)
http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/2004/issue3/jv8n3a3.html

Coded video found on Zawahiri’s computer said to show plans to weaponize anthrax
http://www.mintertainment.com/videos/video/How_Tic_Tacs_Came_To_Dominate_Planet

Leonard A. Cole, “Bioweapons, Proliferation, and the US Anthrax Attack:
Strategic Insights, Center for Contemporary Conflict”
http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/2007/Aug/coleAug07.pdf


972 posted on 06/18/2008 4:03:49 AM PDT by ZACKandPOOK
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To: ZACKandPOOK

newly added YouTube video -

The Anthrax Letters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oTxHDvmQyk


974 posted on 06/23/2008 9:28:48 AM PDT by ZACKandPOOK
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To: ZACKandPOOK

revised URL for above video

The Anthrax Letters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-NGKm4xxC4


975 posted on 06/24/2008 1:55:57 AM PDT by ZACKandPOOK
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To: ZACKandPOOK; EdLake

I’m no sooner spoken than broken. What am I?


976 posted on 06/25/2008 1:48:08 PM PDT by jpl
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To: jpl

A promise not to disclose the existence of a secret? For example, if Jay Rockefeller says he can’t talk about what he knows about NSA wiretapping because it is classified, but he thinks it is illegal, has he violated his promise of secrecy?

Professor Turley has brilliantly positioned things re NSA wiretapping by arguing “The USG knew my client was such a bad dude that they must have been wiretapping him when he was making plans with Bin Laden’s sheik at 11 a.m. on September 16 and then again on September 19, 2001.”


977 posted on 06/25/2008 3:46:35 PM PDT by ZACKandPOOK
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To: jpl; Trebel Rebel

Al-Timimi’s lawyer has said the FBI has suspected Ali in connection with anthrax. Now the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals has affirmed the conviction and sentence of a former GMU student who was not forthcoming about what he knew about Ali upon questioning before the grand jury. The same AUSA who is handling the Ali case, with all its classified filings, argued this case before the Fourth Circuit. Here is an excerpt:

“An organization in Falls Church, Virginia, known as the Dar al-Arqam Islamic Center, has figured in no fewer than fourteen terrorism prosecutions so far. Some of those prosecutions centered on a group of young men who assembled at Dar al-Arqam and, in early 2000, started training together for violent jihad. The group escalated stepwise from an ideological attraction to religious violence to actually taking up arms against nations they saw as enemies of Islam: Russia in Chechnya, India in Kashmir, and the United States. They began by talking with some of the more militant leaders at Dar al-Arqam. They they started conducting quasi-military exercises with paintball guns in the Virginia woods and practicing marksmanship with AK-47 style rifles on Virginia shooting ranges. A few members traveled to Pakistan or Afghanistan to train at jihadist camps run by Lashkar-e-Taibe (a designated terrorist organization since December 2001).

Then came the attacks of September 11th and a schism at Dar al-Arqam between those who condemned and those who condoned the attacks. Within a few days, the leader of the violent wing, a Dar al-Arqam founder named Ali Al-Timimi (later convicted of solicitation to levy war against the United States), held a secret meeting at which the core of the paintball group formally dedicated itself to violence. More members went abroad to the jihadist camps. Some who went, upon returning to the United States, purchased sophisticated aerial surveillance technology to send to Lashkar-e-Taiba overseas. Then, in 2003, the group was arrested and eleven men indicted together.
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Benkhala was arrested in Saudi Arabia in 2003, where he had been studying Islamic law and traveling with Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, a friend from Dar al-Arqam and a member of al Qaeda (eventually convicted of conspiracy to assassinate the President of the United States, among other crimes).
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Specifically, Benkahla stood accused of a set of false denials: that he had participated in a jihadist training camp somewhere in August 1999; that he had handled weapons while there and observed others doing the same; and that he knew about the various people he had communicated with about training for jihad (such as “Abdullah,” Ali Al-Timimi, and others of interest to the FBI in terrorism-related investigations.)”

One reason the USG is keeping quiet about anthrax is (1) fairness to defendants in pending matters, (2) the successful resolution of which might lead to leverage they would find useful in a prosecution relating to Amerithrax.


978 posted on 06/26/2008 4:44:53 AM PDT by ZACKandPOOK
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To: jpl
I’m no sooner spoken than broken. What am I?

A secret. The existence of a secret.

What's your point?

There are few real secrets in the Amerithrax investigation.

Most of the information about the case is available. People just have different ways of interpreting that information. So, it's all endlessly debated. What's NOT available are definitive answers to specific questions, and that's because the questions generally relate to evidence in an ongoing murder investigation.

Should the government name the 12 to 20 "persons of interest" they've said they are investigating? Why? So they can be tried in the media? So we can argue over who did it?

What's happening in the Hatfill v FBI lawsuit may be out of the public eye right now, but that doesn't mean anything sinister is going on. NO pre-trial discussions are ever done in public.

So, what's your point?

Ed at www.anthraxinvestigation.com

979 posted on 06/26/2008 8:34:38 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: EdLake
Kudos, that is a good answer that I hadn't thought of!

The one I had in mind was "silence". Because we're sure been getting a lot of that lately regarding Hatfill and anthrax, haven't we?

980 posted on 06/26/2008 9:08:59 AM PDT by jpl
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