Posted on 04/12/2008 5:45:11 PM PDT by rosenfan
BTW Hillary was born in 1947. Her father was born in 1911 and died in 1993. Her grandfather was born in 1897 and died 3-5-65 when Hillary would have been about 7 1/2 years old. No news yet on Hillary's death!
Clinton touted her husband's record on gun control during his administration, and said "there is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights" and the effort to reduce crime.
"There is no reason for anyone in this country - anyone except a police officer or military person - to buy, to own, to have, to use a handgun. The only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit the guns." — President Bill Clinton, in comments made while signing the Brady Bill in 1993
I know one, and depending on the maturity of my granddaughter when she reach 7 or 8, I might be one. I might also be a Great Uncle who lets a 7 or 8 y/o girl handle a gun, but not the older great niece, and she's already been told why. (Doesn't follow instructions well, and she's 9)
But I think I'd extend "little girl" to at least 12.
The grandfather I know who let a little kid of that age handle a gun was my father in law. The grandson who lived with him at an earlier age, and visited frequently at that age, and now lives with grandma (grandpa passed last year) when he's not off at college, was taught to shoot at that age, and shot a hog with a cut down SKS at about 9 or 10. The old sow is still on his wall. :).
And if you include BB guns, why my father let a 9 y/o handle guns. By myself, without supervision. I got my BB gun for my 8th birthday, and by the time I was nine, was allowed to shoot it whenever I wanted. I used to ride over to my cousins with the gun across the handlebars. We'd shoot at steel beer and soda cans. My gun, a cheaper model of the Red Ryder type, would put it's BB through one side of such a can. Cousins, a "pump" action but still a spring type, would put it through both sides. A little latter I'd ride through the business district of our little suburb (which had been a town of it's own until the early 20th century and so had 3 or so blocks of stores, beer joints (2), a bank, and it's own funeral parlor and post office. A policeman once asked me what I was doing. I told him, going out to my great uncle's farm to shoot the gun. He said, "be careful, but have a good time". I did. :).
My dad didn't have a rifle, not even a .22, and thought them "too dangerous" because of their longer range, so I had wait to get big enough to handle a shotgun before I was allowed a "real gun" at about 14. Not that I hadn't shot a .22 before then, again unsupervised, at a cousin's farm. That was a one of a pair of Remington Nylon 66s given to the older two cousins (one several months younger than I, the other several months older) by their grandfather (gee, another one!) my great uncle, when they were 11 or 12 I think.
From the First Ladies site
Birth:
Place: Chicago, Illinois
Date: 1947, October 26
Father:
Hugh Ellsworth Rodham, born 1911, April 2, Scranton, Pennsylvania, graduate of Pennsylvania State University, small textile supply owner; died, 1993, April 7 in Little Rock, Arkansas
Mother:
Dorothy Emma Howell Rodham, born 1919, Chicago, Illinois; married to Hugh Rodham, 1942
Ancestry:
Welsh, French, Scottish, Native American, English; Hillary Clinton's paternal grandfather Hugh Rodham was born in 1879 in Northumberland, Wales and immigrated to Pennsylvania to work at the Scranton Lace Company. Her maternal great-grandparents, the Howells, were immigrants from England and settled in California. Her maternal grandmother, Della Murray migrated from Canada to Illinois and married secondly to Max Rosenberg who was born in Russia in 1901.
Education:
Eugene Field Elementary School, Park Ridge, Illinois, 1953-1957; Ralph Waldo Emerson Middle School, Park Ridge, Illinois, 1957-1961; Maine Township High School, East and South, Park Ridge, 1961-1965,
What's missing is wether her grandfather, either one of them, owned a cottage in Pennsylvania while she was a little girl (which I'd define as up to 12 years old, making it around 1959 at the latest..
Here is an article indicating that she and her family did indeed spend much time in the Poconos of PA when she was a little girl
It mentions that cabin/cottage near Lake Winola. (The link is not to the original source, but I checked there, and could not find it, but there was a dead link from the page linked above to the original source site. They probably moved the article, and since the article goes back to Sept of 2007, it's a bit hard to find, and there would be a fee to access it on the original site (The Morning Call of Allentown PA) However it seems to be based in part on information provided by Clinton herself, so the date becomes important. The article linked was posted on the Chicago Tribune site in September of 2007
The article says the "cottage" still belongs to the Rodham family.
Thus, her story is quite possibly true, although the shooting part can't be verified yet by an independent source, and is only mentioned in the "headline at the linked site, but not in the original headline, which was "Summers with Hillary". The site above has a video of Her Heinousness as a little girl, littler than the gun shooter I'm sure, and the audio has Hillary saying she learned to shoot a gun there on Lake Winona.
I fired my first round using a Marlin 39A Golden Mounty at the tender age of 8. My Grandfather, whom I miss to this very day, was the one who put it in my hands.
That Marlin is still in the family. My brother has it. He put it in his sons hands when he turned 9. I was there to see it.
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Well no. Hillary was born in 1947, making her around 17 1/2 when her grandfather died. I didn't need to do the math, to know you made an error. I was born in late '49, she's just over 2 years older than I am. In '65 I was 15 most of the year.
I was about 12 when my paternal grandfather died. However I was over 40 when my maternal grandfather died at 99. :) I was about 21 when my maternal grandmother died, and only around 4 or 5 when my paternal grandmother passed away, I'm older now than she was then. But at least I remember her, I never met my paternal grandfather, since they had separated when my father was just a young'n, like 2 or 3.
Northumberland is not in Wales. It is a county in the north of England.
With no witnesses, no proof, may not be the truth. (/sarcasm)
LOL good one!
She is so incredibly full of sh**. What does it say about our culture that she has made it this far?
Clinton said she has hunted ducks.
“But ducks have a right to shoot back” she quickly added as she stepped into her pick-up truck
That sounds suspiciously like the remarks once attributed to various anti gun politicos. I found a quote identical to the first sentence attributed to MICHAEL GARTNER ( President NBC News) in USA Today of 16 Jan 92) But as attributed to BJ, I fear it's a bogus quote, although it certainly can be found all over the web, since I can not find it in the record of Clinton's
Remarks on Signing Handgun Control Legislation
November 30th, 1993
Thank you very much, Sarah and Jim and General Reno, Mr. Vice President, Mrs. Musick. Thank you for your wonderful remarks.
There were two Members of Congress who inadvertently were not introduced. I want to recognize them because they've played a major role in this: one of our Democratic leaders in the House, Steny Hoyer, and Senator Herb Kohl from Wisconsin, who also sponsored the bill to make it illegal for minors to possess handguns, and I thank you for that, sir.
Senator Metzenbaum, Congressman Schumer, Senator Mitchell; and others who gave birth to this great effort; to all the law enforcement representatives , the Governors, the mayors, the folks from Handgun Control who are here; to the families whose lives would have been changed for the better if the Brady bill had been law; Mrs. Musick and my friend Cathy Gould and her children, Lindsey and Christopher who lost a husband and father who would be here today if the Brady bill had been law, I am honored to have all of you here in the White House. I also want to say a special word of thanks to the Members of Congress who were on( there early on this, when there was some considerable political risk either at(ached to it or thought to be attached. The Brady bill was first introduced almost 7 years ago by Congressman. Ed Feighan of Ohio on February 4th, 1987. I can't resist saying a special word of thanks to the Members who come from difficult districts who voted for this bill. My good friend and Congressman, Beryl Anthony from Arkansas, lost a tough race in 1992, and part of the reason was that he voted for the Brady bill. And the NRA came after him in an unusual election. He said to me on the way in here, he said, "If it cost my seat, it was worth it."
Everything that should be said about this has already been said by people whose lives are more profoundly imbued with this issue than mine. But there are some things I think we need to think about that we learned from this endeavor as we look ahead to what still needs to be done.
Since Jim and Sarah began this crusade, more than 150,000 Americans, men, women, teenagers, children, even infants, have been killed with handguns. And many more have been wounded—150,000 people from all walks of life who should have been here to share Christmas with us. This couple saw through a fight that really never should have had to occur, because still, when people are confronted with issues of clear common sense and overwhelming evidence, too often we are prevented from doing what we know we ought to do by our collective fears, whatever they may be.
The Brady bill has finally become law in a fundamental sense not because of any of us but because grassroots America changed its mind and demanded that this Congress not leave here without doing something about this. And all the rest of us—even Jim and Sarah-did was to somehow light that spark that swept across the people of this country and proved once again that democracy can work. America won this battle. Americans are finally fed up with violence that cuts down another citizen with gunfire every 20 minutes.
And we know that this bill will make a difference. As Sarah said, the Washington Post pointed out that about 50,000 people have been denied the right to buy a handgun in just four States since 1989. Don't let anybody tell you that this won't work. I got a friend back home who sold a gun years ago to a guy who had escaped from a mental hospital, that he hadn't seen in 10 years. And be pulled out that old form from the 1968 act and said, "Have you ever been convicted of a crime? Have you ever been in a mental hospital?" The guy said, no, no and put the form back in the drawer. And 12 hours later six people were dead, and my friend is not over it to this day. Don't tell me this bill will not make a difference. That is not true. It is not true.
But we all know there is more to be done. The crime bill not only has 100,000 new police officers who, properly trained and deployed, will lower the crime rate by preventing crime, not just by catching criminals. It also has a ban on several assault weapons, long overdue; a ban on handgun ownership and restrictions on possession of handguns by minors; the beginning of reform of our Federal firearms licensing systems; and an effort to make our schools safer. This is a good beginning. And there will be more to be done after that.
But I ask you to think about what this means and what we can all do to keep this going. We cannot stop here. I'm so proud of what others are doing. I'm proud of the work that Reverend Jesse Jackson has been doing, going back now to the streets and talking to the kids and telling them to stop shooting each other and cutting each other up, and to turn away from violence. I'm proud of people like David Plea, not so well-known, a former gang member who has turned his life around and now coordinates a program called gang alternative programs in Norwalk, California, telling gang members they have to take personal responsibility for their actions and turn away from violence; Reverend William Moore, who organized parents and educators and other clergy in north Philadelphia to provide safety corridors for kids going to and from school—160,000 children stay home every day because they're scared to go to school in this country—and all the police officers on the street who have restored confidence in their neighborhoods, becoming involved in ways that often are way beyond the call of duty, people like Officer Anthony Fuedo of Boston, who took a tough section of east Boston and transformed it from a neighborhood full of fear to one which elderly people now feel safe sitting on benches again.
We can do this but only it we do it together. And I ask you to think about this: I come from a State where half the folks have hunting and fishing licenses. I can still remember the first day when I was a little boy out in the country putting a can on top of a fencepost and shooting a .22 at it. I can still remember the first time I pulled a trigger on a .410 shotgun because I was too little to hold a .12 gauge. I can remember these things. This is part of the culture of a big part of America. But people have taken that culture—we just started (leer season—I live in a place where we still close schools and plants on the first day of deer season, nobody is going to show up anyway. [Laughter] We just started deer season at home and a lot of other places. We have taken this important part of the life of millions of Americans and turned it into an instrument of maintaining madness. It is crazy. Would I let anybody change that life in America? Not on your life. Has that got anything to do with the Brady bill or assault weapons or whether the police have to go out on the street confronting teenagers who are better armed than they are? Of course not.
This is the beginning of something truly wonderful in this country if we have learned to separate out all this stuff we've been hearing all these years, trying to make the American people afraid that somehow their quality of life is going to be underminded by doing stuff that people of common sense and good will would clearly want to do and every law enforcement official in America telling us to do it.
So, I plead with all of you today, when you leave here to be reinvigorated by this, to be exhilarated by the triumph of Jim and Sarah Brady and all these other folks who didn't let their personal losses defeat them but instead used it to come out here and push us to do better.
And each of you in turn, take your opportunity not to let people ever again in this country use a legitimate part of our American heritage in ways that blinds us to our obligation to the present and the future. If we have broken that, then there is nothing we cannot do. And when I go and sign this bill in a minute, it will be step one in taking our streets back, taking our children back, reclaiming our families and our future.
Thank you.
That's bad enough of course, but not what your quote attributes to him.
That's what I though, and I beleive you are correct. I was just quoting the source. At least I linked to it. :)
Northumberland is a county in the North East of England. The non-metropolitan county of Northumberland borders Cumbria to the west, County Durham to the south and Tyne and Wear to the south east, as well as having a border with the Scottish Borders council area to the north, and nearly eighty miles of North Sea coastline. Since 1974 the county council has been located in Morpeth, situated in the east of the county; however, both Morpeth and Alnwick claim the title county town.
Even if this Clinton memory is true, and her Grandfather taught her how to shoot behind the cabin on some lake, she will later say that such a skill is irrelevant to modern times since we don’t live in cabins on quiet lakes anymore, and we have the Government to protect us now. So hand them all in, Mr and Mrs America.
Ooop! Sorry for the bad math. you are right.
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