Posted on 04/11/2008 5:21:43 PM PDT by hanfei
If there's two things I hate, it's closed minded people who are intolerant of other cultures, and the DUTCH!
You know I have argued that there is no BIBLICAL prohibition against having more than one wife.
I have studied the Bible for years and can find no verse that says that a man must have only one wife (who is not a minister).
Joe -
You know I have argued that there is no BIBLICAL prohibition against having more than one wife.
I have studied the Bible for years and can find no verse that says that a man must have only one wife (who is not a minister).
Joe -
>>but it’s a better situation than having people
>>sleep around, fathering children out of
>>wedlock, with multiple women.
Not really. Bastards tend to assimilate into society, whereas organized polygamy leads to the tribal fracture of society.
Can you say “Tribal Warlords”?
Gen 2:2424 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
Matt 19:5-6
'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? 6 So they are no longer two, but one.Eph 5:28-33
In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church- 30 for we are members of his body. 31 "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." 32 This is a profound mystery-but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
Understood but nowhere does it say you can only have one wife. There is no positive command. You are extrapolating an entire doctrine from single verses that are are being used to describe a single relationship. If that were the case then may of the people in the old testament would have been violators of the law Such as Jacob and Issac, Solomon, Etc.
Now I would say that a Biblical model of one man with one wife is a good one to follow. But there is just nothing in the Laws of Moses (Which is God's law) which prevent a man from taking if he so desires more than one wife.
By the way you are using a corrupt version of the Bible The KJV is the only one not touched by 19th century occultists and 20th century Liberals and homosexuals.
>>Understood but nowhere does it
>>say you can only have one wife.
>>There is no positive command.
You can play these semantic games all you want. The model of marriage given by Christ Himself is clear.
One man, One Woman, One Flesh.
Its not a model. We differ on interpretation.
Matt 19:5-6
'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? 6 So they are no longer two, but one.
“Trying to love two women is like a ball and chain.”—The Oak Ridge Boys
“Trying to love any more than that is like leaping into the ocean, chained up like Jacob Marley.”—Rich
OK. Here is your Bible lesson for today...
Try reading the context of the entire paragraph Leading up to Mat 5:19 and after. The Pharasee’s were asking if it was OK for a man to put away his wife. Christ was impressing the point that once joined together and man and his wife cannot be put asunder except certain conditions.
[3] The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
[4] And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
[5] And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
[6] Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
[7] They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
[8] He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
Nowhere does this infer that the law said that only one man and one wife. Can you find it in the law of Moses? I challenge you to. The subject of the above verses is different.
Maybe its your little head that only reads what it wants to. Next time try and be wise and read the whole passage.
>>OK. Here is your Bible lesson for today...
Sorry, not interested in lessons from one who is an apologist for polygamists.
Christ was clear. I need no other source.
[16] Polygamy apparently was a common practice in ancient Israel (Lamech and Cain Gen. 4:19- 26:34-35; Abraham Gen. 16:14; Jacob Gen. 29:26; 3.0:4, 9; Elkanah-1 Sam. 1:5; Gideon Judges 8:30; David 2 Sam. 5:13ff.; 20:3; Solomon 1 Kings 11:1, 3: Rehoboam 2 Chron. 11:21) and was assumed in the legal code (Ex. 21:10; Deut. 21:1-17). The desire for offspring seems to have been the principal motivation, though other factors undoubtedly contributed to its acceptance as well (see David Mace, Hebrew Marriage [London: Epworth Press, 1953], pp. 121-22). Although polygamy as such is not condemned by the Old Testament, neither is any attempt made to justify the practice or to give it divine sanction. In those passages which are fundamental for our understanding of marriage, monogamy is presupposed (Gen. 1:26ff.; 2:18-24). In light of Jesus' confirmation of the original institution of marriage, polygamy, like divorce, must be regarded as evidence of Israel's refusal to be bound by the constraints of God's will expressed in the pattern set down at creation.
Pharases sb Pharisees
And so you cite another man’s opinion. I am not being an apologist for polygamists. I never said I supported their view. But you have to admit there is nothing in the laws of Moses specifically prohibiting it.
I do agree to the following...
That the Biblical model does seem to advocate one man with one wife. It is a model that I agree with. Every example of a ploygamist I have ever seen is someone who follows after their own lusts, and that is the motivating factor behind having as many wives as they do.
But, if God had a problem with some of his followers being married to more than one wife God would have said something and given divorces.
So when I see a man having more than one wife I would only say that it is stupid, and it is selfish but I cannot say necessarily that it is sinful.
Of course these nut jobs in Texas are a different story. Women and girls being forced into marriages. The state was right in putting a stop to that.
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