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Iraqi militia success means Britain must fight – or admit failure ( Times of London Headline)
Times -UK ^ | March 28, 2008 | Richard Beeston, Foreign Editor

Posted on 03/28/2008 12:29:32 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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1 posted on 03/28/2008 12:29:34 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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2 posted on 03/28/2008 12:32:14 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Well every conservative Brit I know is just throwing up their hands in disbelief. They feel their Country is being taken over by radicals and their Government is helping the process along the way.

If Hillary or Obama is our next President, the U.S.A. will be the next great democracy to be intimidated by political terrorists.

3 posted on 03/28/2008 12:32:34 PM PDT by not2worry ( What goes around comes around!)
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Basra a British failure: Times of London

4 posted on 03/28/2008 12:34:01 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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Related Times story:

Areas of Baghdad fall to militias as Iraqi Army falters in Basra

5 posted on 03/28/2008 12:36:46 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I don’t see how the Brits have enough combat troops left to do much here. Looks like the US will have to help the Iraqis clean up the mess.


6 posted on 03/28/2008 12:37:25 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I should be more grateful for our allies support but with some of the allies I'm having a hard time seeing their successes past their devastating failures.
7 posted on 03/28/2008 12:39:55 PM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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more damning evidence it seems...


8 posted on 03/28/2008 12:43:23 PM PDT by steel_resolve (I stand with the Tibetans.)
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The fact that whole districts of Baghdad and formerly controlled US towns in South-Central Iraq have been falling under Shiite militia control in recent days suggests that the US has not been any more successful in persuading Shiite people to turn away from militia allegiances than Britain.


9 posted on 03/28/2008 12:44:05 PM PDT by uksupport1
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More from the Times:

Bomb attack hit crucial Iraqi pipeline

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March 27, 2008

The Zubair-1 pipeline attacked earlier today is used to transport crude oil from fields in Southern Iraq to the country's two main export terminals in the Gulf at al-Umaiya and Basra.

The attack is expected to cut oil exports from the Basra region - which were around 1.54 million barrels per day in February - by roughly one third until the pipeline can be repaired.

The incident helped lift global crude prices close to highs of nearly $107 per barrel in London trading this morning.

Iraq's total average production for February was 2.4 million barrels per day - roughly 80 per cent of which was accounted for by fields in the the Basra region.

Basra’s Rumaila South and North oil fields together produce around 1.3 million barrels per day. Several smaller fields in the region including Suba, Luhais, West Qurna and Zubair, account for most of the rest of the region’s output.

Iraq’s Southern Oil Company (SOC) operates the fields and has its headquarters in Basra. One of Iraq's three big oil refineries, the Shuaiba refinery, is also in Basra. It has a capacity of 160,000 barrels a day but is currently functioning below capacity.

Iraq’s fragile economy relies heavily on oil exports to help fund reconstruction efforts.

10 posted on 03/28/2008 12:46:07 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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Really? As reported by whom?


11 posted on 03/28/2008 12:46:21 PM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Iran is behind the Shia militia. You can bet their signature is on all the arms and support, not to mention insurgents joining their brigade.

Ahmadinejad’s latest visit was probably aimed at just that. And America has already begun drawing down our troops in a big hurry to prove the surge is working.

Now the American public will look at this as a waste of time and troops during an election year. This is not looking like what we have been hoping for.


12 posted on 03/28/2008 12:47:26 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....Viva El Presidente! "I'm not prejudice, I hate everybody the same.")
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As is the fact that Sadr City, Hilla et al (all under US control) have had whole areas seized by Shiite militias in recent days...


13 posted on 03/28/2008 12:49:11 PM PDT by uksupport1
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obviously the iraqi army doesn't have airplanes but do they have armor..tanks?
14 posted on 03/28/2008 12:51:16 PM PDT by Aaron0617
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Wow.

Here is an explicit empirical comparison of Bush’s war policy versus his reactionary opponents: Basra versus Bagdad.

Despite the powerfully positive results of Bush’s vision, the public continues to prefer failed policies— sad.


15 posted on 03/28/2008 12:51:58 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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U.S. joins Basra fight; Maliki extends deadline

16 posted on 03/28/2008 12:52:29 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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dude, seriously give it up - the evidence is overhwelming.


17 posted on 03/28/2008 12:52:57 PM PDT by steel_resolve (I stand with the Tibetans.)
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The fact that whole districts of Baghdad and formerly controlled US towns in South-Central Iraq have been falling under Shiite militia control in recent days suggests that the US has not been any more successful in persuading Shiite people to turn away from militia allegiances than Britain.

Actually, what it means is that the media has been successful in getting enough people to believe that hyperbolic BS.

18 posted on 03/28/2008 12:57:57 PM PDT by Allegra (Tehran delenda est)
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Evidence of what? Maliki has decided to strengthen the hand of his particular Shiite governemnt before the October elections by leading a crackdown in Basra. The violence in recent days has exposed that even in post-surge Baghdad, Shiite gunmen can just walk onto the streets and demand Iraqi government forces go away. They haven’t been disarmed. US or formerly US controlled areas in Iraq have hd whole districts taken over by the Shiite militias. How then is it just to criticize the existance of Shiite militias in Basra as unique when they appear just as stronge elsewhere?


19 posted on 03/28/2008 12:58:25 PM PDT by uksupport1
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As is the fact that Sadr City, Hilla et al (all under US control) have had whole areas seized by Shiite militias in recent days...

{Shaking head...laughing...} Zrabbat biha!

20 posted on 03/28/2008 12:59:26 PM PDT by Allegra (Tehran delenda est)
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