Biogasoline idea refined by Dutch Shell, U.S. firm

Houston Chronicle ^ | March 26, 2008, 11:15PM | BRETT CLANTON

[steelyourfaith]

" Graeme Sweeney, Shell's executive vice president of future fuels and CO2, said of that issue: "We believe this technology has the potential to be cost competitive. Otherwise we wouldn't be taking this route." The venture comes as many nations are mandating the use of biofuels to reduce fossil fuel consumption and curb greenhouse gas emissions."

Nice to kleran that shell has an " executive vice president of future fuels and CO2".

 

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[count-your-change]

Isn’t Shell also running commercials on their natural gas to gasoline process? The give-away word here is “potential”, which means “we can make anything into gasoline if the price of the gasoline is high enough”.

[thackney]

I haven’t seen them, but I don’t see many commercials.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

In December, President Bush signed legislation that calls for a sixfold increase in U.S. ethanol production to 36 billion gallons by 2022.

IMHO, this will be GWB's true legacy to our descedents. If this is allowed to stand and goes full speed ahead, we are monumentally screwed.

[thackney]

That is why the ethanol producers are not worried about competition. We are required by law to use ethanol.

[kcm.org]

Yet, some trusted expert assert that if 30%-40% of Americans would simply slow down to 60-65mph on the highways, and stagger the times people go to and get off work, oil prices would plummet to less than %50/bbl.

[Mr. Lucky]

You really know that the mandate is for “renewable” fuels, don’t you?

[Yo-Yo]

Isn’t Shell also running commercials on their natural gas to gasoline process?

There is a cheesy movie on their website that takes 10 minutes to explain a natural gas to diesel conversion process they developed.

Germans were doing the same in WWII with natural gas and coal.

[thackney]

By the definitions of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, this does not qualify as an alternative fuel.

‘‘SEC. 30C. ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLE REFUELING PROPERTY
CREDIT.
‘‘(c) QUALIFIED ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLE REFUELING PROPERTY.—
‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in paragraph (2),
the term ‘qualified alternative fuel vehicle refueling property’
has the meaning given to such term by section 179A(d), but
only with respect to any fuel—
‘‘(A) at least 85 percent of the volume of which consists
of one or more of the following: ethanol, natural gas, compressed
natural gas, liquefied natural gas, liquefied petroleum
gas, or hydrogen, or
‘‘(B) any mixture of biodiesel (as defined in section
40A(d)(1)) and diesel fuel (as defined in section 4083(a)(3)),
determined without regard to any use of kerosene and
containing at least 20 percent biodiesel.

Also tax credits are given specific to ethanol production and blending, not generic renewable fuels.

[hosepipe]

Gasoline made from grass cuttings sounds fairly efficient.. during spring summer and fall.. if trucks were provided to gather the grass clippings from home owners and highway maintenance people.. FOR FREE.. What was a pain in the ass could become gasoline.. A renewable resource.. And maybe the end of the grass stuff could become fertilizer..

I wonder if some form of "yeast" or microbe has been found that processes this stuff.. WHich is then refined into gasoline.. YA THINK?... Consider all the grass clippings that COULD BE planted and gathered along the nations highways..

[Thebaddog]

I’mn telling you, when they can start making gas out of poop, we’ll have something.

[DungeonMaster]

Yet, some trusted expert assert that if 30%-40% of Americans would simply slow down to 60-65mph on the highways, and stagger the times people go to and get off work, oil prices would plummet to less than %50/bbl.

There was a PSA from quite a few years ago that said that if everyone would properly inflate their tires it would save a hugh amoung of oil per year. I feel like it was on the order of a million or millions of barrels.

[gjones77]

Well, if they could find a way to turn the methane given off by said “post edible consumer waste” then they very well could since methane is a flammable gas.

Now wouldn’t that be something, companies would come and pump out your septic systems for free once every 6 months so they could sell it to fuel producers.

[longtermmemmory]

How about if you give the grass clipping you get a per unit cut in your property taxes or garbage pickup.

The government should not profit from our discovered assets.

[count-your-change]

A quick check of internet sites-Shell says it takes ten thousand cubic feet of gas to make one barrel of oil. They have built or will build plant in Qatar to use gas there.
I wonder if Shell is trying to mount a challenge to ‘AD M’ for a piece of the gasoline additive’s pie?

[kcm.org]

There was a PSA from quite a few years ago that said that if everyone would properly inflate their tires it would save a hugh amoung of oil per year. I feel like it was on the order of a million or millions of barrels.

Yep, take that series.

Have a Nissan Titan which I drive around 62mph, and keep 41 psi in tires. Have 317 hp and 385 ft/lbs torque and the mileage is so good that if I told you, you would call me a liar--and I would not argue. LOL

[hosepipe]

[ The government should not profit from our discovered assets. ]

You mean like from property taxes?.. gasoline taxes?.. road taxes?.. and death taxes?..

[The Great RJ]

My bet is that all theses corn ethanol plants springing up in the Midwest will be abandoned hulks in 5 years as the ethanol boondoggle goes bust.

[anoldafvet]

"I’mn telling you, when they can start making gas out of poop, we’ll have something."

Yes we will, we'll have an unlimited source from the House and Senate.