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CAMP PENDLETON: First Haditha trial to unfold
North County Times ^ | March 25, 2008 | Mark Walker

Posted on 03/25/2008 1:10:13 PM PDT by RedRover

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Lance Cpl. Stephen B. Tatum

1 posted on 03/25/2008 1:10:14 PM PDT by RedRover
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To: dynachrome

May be worthy of a Savage Nation ping with his involvement in the case.


2 posted on 03/25/2008 1:15:18 PM PDT by kc8ukw
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To: RedRover
The fourth man initially accused in the killings, Sgt. Sanick P. Dela Cruz, is one of the chief witnesses against Tatum and Wuterich as the result of a deal he cut with prosecutors to have murder charges against him withdrawn.

How Zimmerman and the team handle Dela Cruz is critical to the outcome of this case, IMO.

3 posted on 03/25/2008 1:45:40 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: RedRover
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Lance Cpl. Stephen B. Tatum

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4 posted on 03/25/2008 1:49:27 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: 4woodenboats; American Cabalist; AmericanYankee; AndrewWalden; Antoninus; AliVeritas; ardara; ...

We’ll post a “live thread” for LCpl Taum’s trial. I believe he’ll be fully exonerated.


5 posted on 03/25/2008 1:49:57 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover

I’m very interested to see how a—hole Sullivan acts (or reacts) at this trial and if we’ll see the same type of outbursts he displayed at Article 32 hearings when things didn’t go his way!!

Prayers up for Stephen and his family! My heart is with them.


6 posted on 03/25/2008 1:56:00 PM PDT by Semper Fi Mom (Mother of a Marine and proud of it!))
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To: smoothsailing
Agreed, although Mark Walker got it wrong. Dela Cruz is not a witness against LCpl Tatum. He probably meant Mendoza who was a shooter in both houses and who was given immunity.

BTW, here are diagrams of both actions involved LCpl Tatum...


7 posted on 03/25/2008 1:56:16 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover
Well, that's good, because Dela Cruz is unreliable as a witness, from my reading of all this. Not Mendoza, though, I would expect him to be supportive of Tatum where possible.
8 posted on 03/25/2008 2:05:19 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: RedRover

Thank you, RedRover.
I believe LCpl Tatum will be exonerated as well.
Prayers up for him, his family and the defense attorneys.


9 posted on 03/25/2008 2:25:05 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: RedRover
We’ll post a “live thread” for LCpl Taum’s trial. I believe he’ll be fully exonerated.

That will be a great day for celebration. Dear Lord, make it so.

"If he (Tatum) is exonerated, it means the tent pole that the government has been using to hold up their house of cards dissolves," Rooney said.

10 posted on 03/25/2008 2:26:26 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: RedRover; jazusamo; smoothsailing; Girlene; xzins; Lancey Howard; Marine_Uncle; USMC_2

Any one else notice -- is this moron the idiot that lead the parade of 88 in deriding and impugning the whole Duke LaCrosse Team and assisting Nifong? If so, he needs to be run out on a rail. When are we going to see the other side "hold their own accountable" for their murder of civilians and desecration of mosques? As the Brits found out in 1776 you don't fight barbarians with civilised rules first; the objective is to win -- then impose the rules.

11 posted on 03/25/2008 2:57:40 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank

Not sticking up for Silliman but I don’t believe he was a member of the group of 88. If I’m not mistaken most or all of the group were liberal arts profs.


12 posted on 03/25/2008 3:09:43 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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... Scott Silliman, a former military lawyer and now director of the Center on Law, Ethics and National Security at Duke University, said each trial will be watched across the globe "to see if we hold our own accountable ..." ...

Sounds like Silliman is saying that LCpl Tatum needs to be convicted to show the world that we hold ourselves accountable. That doesn't sound like he thinks truth and justice is sufficient, but a predetermined outcome of guilt of some kind. Hey, Sillman, who cares what the world thinks? These are OUR Marines, not the world's.
13 posted on 03/25/2008 3:44:47 PM PDT by Girlene (Silliman is a Silly man)
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To: RedRover; All
WTF is up with Walker's reporting - did the eds gwt to him?

Sentances 1 & 3 are pure BS - NO ONE has claimed they are certain they shot kids, and how the hell do you have 24 dead "civilians" when Sharrat was cut loose because the 4 he killed were armed insurgents.....oh, I see, they were "victims carrying AK-47's"

Maybe once Mark Walker has covered this story for awhile he can get facts straight.../s

14 posted on 03/25/2008 4:08:41 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (defendourtroops.org defendourmarines.org)
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Great points, 4wb. There were little forensics gathered from houses 1 and 2, as far as I know, there were no autopsies, nobody knows who shot who. The NCIS agents came up with their best guess scenario.

Walker also commented on the 24 civilians that weren’t on any insurgent lists. I don’t think NCIS did a full search of who was who from the incident. From what I remember, follow-up on the claims made about the four men killed in house 4 was non-existent (except to plug their names into a database).


15 posted on 03/25/2008 4:20:06 PM PDT by Girlene
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Walker also commented on the 24 civilians that weren’t on any insurgent lists.

Hell; we don't even know who's in THIS country (see Medellin v. Texas @ USSC today) let alone who's in Iraq. Insurgent list, indeed. I used to believe that these scumbag reporters didn't know any different, but when the SWORN TESTIMONY of UNDER OATH WITNESSES is ignored and omitted, then you know they too are insurgents and should be hauled up for sedition.

Yes. I'm damned angry.

16 posted on 03/25/2008 4:37:17 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Girlene

I don’t have the report but NCIS took some forensics from the main room in house 2. (See my painstakingly created diagram above).

LtCol Ware referenced it in his report. He said forensics backed up Tatum’s story. There were two shooters, firing from three positions.


17 posted on 03/25/2008 4:38:13 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: 4woodenboats
I had to go back and read the article again. North County Times has deserved a degree of credit for it's continuing coverage when other papers and media have all but buried the news of the ongoing legal proceedings.

Walker may be under pressure, but that could mean the editor and publisher are too. That raises alot of red flags.

18 posted on 03/25/2008 4:40:58 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: RedRover

I noticed your painstakingly created diagram above, and was about to comment. GREAT JOB. I’ll have to go back and look at the reports. I thought there were few forensics to be gathered because the houses had been repaired and due to time constraints. I will check!


19 posted on 03/25/2008 4:46:21 PM PDT by Girlene (Did I tell you those were AWESOME diagrams?)
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To: RedRover

Mendoza was the one who failed the polygraph and the question was if US citizenship was held over his head to testify against the Marines. And didn’t little Safa Younis debunk the “Tatum was the shooter” because of some height discrepancies in her claims?

BTW wasn’t more than 1 AK found in the house where Justin killed his ambushers?


20 posted on 03/25/2008 5:20:02 PM PDT by Chickenhawk Warmonger (The Media Lied & Soldiers Died)
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