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Libyan leader Muammar Gadaffi says the Bible is a fraud
Religious Intelligence ^ | March 20, 2008 | Manasseh Zindo

Posted on 03/22/2008 3:51:29 AM PDT by JeepInMazar

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To: rosenfan
Let me get this straight...you’re asserting that the strongest point of commonality between atheists and the Taliban is their desire for separation of church and state?

100% incorrect. Their commonality is to use the state to advance their faith (or to enforce the lack of one, in the case of the Talibatheists).

41 posted on 03/23/2008 8:56:33 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: rosenfan
So what? Why shouldn't they be here?

No, we should not provide a forum to those who attack the traditions and foundations of these United States.

42 posted on 03/23/2008 8:57:31 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib
(regarding atheists)

100% incorrect. Their commonality is to use the state to advance their faith (or to enforce the lack of one, in the case of the Talibatheists).

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. ---Thomas Jefferson

A secular government does not equate with the advancement of atheism. The promotion of any religion (or the lack thereof) is none of government's business. That's not to say that there isn't a bit of "wriggle room"...a serviceman's grave, paid for by the government, can certainly have any religious symbol on it that he or she wishes, be it a cross, pentagram, or whatever. Likewise, having a cross on a 150 year old city seal is no more a violation of the 1st amendment than is putting a church on an historic registry. The ACLU certainly goes overboard on these sorts of things.

43 posted on 03/23/2008 11:04:09 AM PDT by rosenfan
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To: FormerLib
(regarding atheists on FR)

No, we should not provide a forum to those who attack the traditions and foundations of these United States.

All atheists do not attack the traditions and foundations of the United States, any more than all Christians support them. Atheism is not incompatible with patriotism.

44 posted on 03/23/2008 11:07:14 AM PDT by rosenfan
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To: rosenfan
A secular government does not equate with the advancement of atheism.

See my previous posts for examples of those who attempt to use a secular government for exactly those ends.

Doing so is no different from the goals of the Taliban (so far as the targeted groups are concerned).

45 posted on 03/23/2008 3:48:20 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib
A secular government does not equate with the advancement of atheism.

See my previous posts for examples of those who attempt to use a secular government for exactly those ends.

Are there atheists who promote atheism? Sure. However, advocating that government be secular does not require the promotion of atheism.

Doing so is no different from the goals of the Taliban (so far as the targeted groups are concerned).

To say that Christians would be treated the same under ACLU or Taliban rule is absurd.

46 posted on 03/24/2008 6:36:32 AM PDT by rosenfan
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However, advocating that government be secular does not require the promotion of atheism.

Unfortunately, the promotion of secularism can become so virulent as to demand the promotion of atheism, as in the points noted in my previous post.

47 posted on 03/24/2008 5:20:10 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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