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Gun-toting is central part of American identity
Breitbart (Wire source is Agence France Presse) ^ | 3/16/08 | n/a

Posted on 03/16/2008 2:51:10 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim

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To: Recon Dad
Every other amendment to the Constitution concerns individual rights and when your argument is posited the courts have interrupted it in favor of the individual.

You nailed it. Protecting the rights of the 'individual' is what the US Constitution is all about.

21 posted on 03/16/2008 3:28:59 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms in his own land," Jefferson wrote."

Not quite.

Jefferson was proposing a draft for the Virginia State Constitution. What he proposed was, "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms within his own lands or tenements."

Note that he said "freeman", not free man". A freeman (or freeholder) was a citizen with full rights -- at the time, a white adult male landowner.

It's a moot point. The Virginia legislature decided to go with, "That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free State; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided, as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power."

22 posted on 03/16/2008 3:30:19 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Cobra64

"Your women, the wife, the girls....I want to buy them...
How much for the little girls?"

23 posted on 03/16/2008 3:31:25 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Lockup child molesters RFN!)
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To: robertpaulsen

The fact remains, we the people, are indeed armed - legally.


24 posted on 03/16/2008 3:32:00 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I do have all my socks matching)
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To: Hot Tabasco
They determined that a well regulated Miltia was necessary to the security of a free state. Not an armed populace

which will guarantee the rights of you and I, the regulated militia (and regulated by who?) or the armed populace?

Man, does that post show some ignorance. Okay, to answer the first part of your question, the regulated militia guarantees your rights, in the sense in which you ask. In fact, the second amendment refers to a God-given right which no piece of paper confers. The amendment simply affirms that the right exists. But I digress. You misunderstand the term 'regulated', as shown by the parenthetice question immediately following. In the language of the framers, regulated meant trained. Today, that training takes place in the home, out on the range, in public and private schools, and in the military.

Your second part of your question is redundant. In fact, you as a citizen (you are one, I'm assuming) are a member of the militia if you are between the ages of 18 and 45. In some states, you are a member of the militia until you are age 60. In some states, you are also a member of the militia if you are a woman within the legal age group. Your question seems to infer that the militia and armed populace are two separate entities. They are, in fact, one and the same.

25 posted on 03/16/2008 3:33:28 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Support our Troops ~ www.americasupportsyou.mil ~)
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To: Cobra64
This person needs some eye protection.

And the person who loaned her the gun needs training in gun safety.


26 posted on 03/16/2008 3:34:04 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Cobra64

Great family sport and training. Watch out for the tank tops; they make a dandy trap for a hot cartridge case.


27 posted on 03/16/2008 3:34:53 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: imahawk
the 2nd Amendment will be a source of endless debate (until, of course, the Supremes weigh in on it); however, check out the following site and it will be clear as a bell. I hope someone brings this to the attention of the Supremes....

www.law.ucla.edu/volokh/beararms/statecon.htm

28 posted on 03/16/2008 3:35:59 PM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
It is good to see the young taught how to use firearms.

Yes it is. Self defense is instinctive, a law of nature, and a fundamental right.

29 posted on 03/16/2008 3:36:25 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Cobra64

Great pictures!


30 posted on 03/16/2008 3:37:11 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Even my tagline is sad....I can't stand ANY of the candidates!)
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To: hiredhand

Great I’d love to see them!


31 posted on 03/16/2008 3:38:33 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Even my tagline is sad....I can't stand ANY of the candidates!)
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To: Cobra64

The right to self defense is also a God given right.


32 posted on 03/16/2008 3:40:34 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I do have all my socks matching)
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To: PackerBoy
"To whom, in your view, does "the People" refer?"

At the time the second amendment was written? Adult, white, male citizens. The same individuals who (according to the Militia Act of 1792) qualified to be in the Militia.

The U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 2 says, "The House of Representatives shall be composed of members chosen every second year by the people of the several states ..." (my underline).

In 1792, who voted? Adult, white, male citizens. They were "the people". They had full rights.

Today, we have extended the protection of full rights to women and non-whites. They are now included in "the people".

33 posted on 03/16/2008 3:40:38 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: XeniaSt
You are right, but that is not the nature of why I posted these photos. The purpose is to show young people not being afraid to learn. I was not the range officer. I do not know the range officer. I do not know any of these people.

BTW, 50 years ago when I first shot rifles and shotguns, I did not wear glasses nor were hearing protection even sold in the civilian market.

34 posted on 03/16/2008 3:41:28 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Hot Tabasco
"So which will guarantee the rights of you and I"

Your state constitution protects your individual right to keep and bear arms, which is why gun laws vary from state to state.

35 posted on 03/16/2008 3:44:50 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
You are wrong, a well regulated militia that the government controls was not the reason for the 2nd amendment, it was for the government to fear the people the individual people so that our freedoms could not be taken from us. You only have to take the time to actually read the founding fathers writings on the subject to understand their reasonings.

Only somebody not truly ignorant of history would be willing to allow the government any control of our guns, from the type we can have to the amount to how you can be qualified to have one.

The first thing Hitler did on coming to power was require the German's to turn in their guns...the only country he did not try to take in Europe was the one where every man was required to own a gun. The Russians and Chineese people had such an easy time of throwing off their masters without guns, oh yeah that's right they loved being slaves to the state and did not need to break free.

36 posted on 03/16/2008 3:46:32 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: kiriath_jearim
Not to mention the ones we toted through France on our mid 40’s walking tour of Europe.
37 posted on 03/16/2008 3:46:55 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (")
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To: robertpaulsen
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the Peoples' Liberty's Teeth. -George Washington
38 posted on 03/16/2008 3:47:43 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: kiriath_jearim

And the 2nd is a valuable tool for smoking out crap-heads and traitors. They just can’t live and let live, always got to telling everyone to just wait for the guys with the yellow tape when they are endangered. Got a kid to donate. They’ll take him/her.


39 posted on 03/16/2008 3:48:17 PM PDT by Waco
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To: Inyo-Mono

Well, I couldn’t let that statement stand. It was flat-out wrong. Even Alexander Hamilton argued in Federalist 29, “The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious, if it were capable of being carried into execution.”


40 posted on 03/16/2008 3:49:51 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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