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McCain & The SAVE Act ( Immigration Bill in the House )
Flopping Aces ^ | March 12, 2008 | Curt

Posted on 03/12/2008 7:39:59 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Would the e-Verify system by voluntary or mandatory under this bill. I also understand that SAVE would effectively mandate a birth certificate database, which is necessary to implement the loathesome Real ID.

If someone wants to vote, and claims to have been born in the U.S., how would one verify that without birth records? If one isn't going to verify it, how can one prevent citizens from being disenfranchised by fraudulent non-citizen votes?

21 posted on 03/12/2008 9:49:16 PM PDT by supercat
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To: oldbill
McCain will NOT support the SAVE Act.

And I will NOT support McCain for prez. Period! </snicker>

22 posted on 03/13/2008 3:14:01 AM PDT by Ron H. (Count me in the swelling ranks of recently unDocumented & dissatisfied former Republicans.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bump or as they say in spanish “Mueva a la cima”. I am boning up.


23 posted on 03/13/2008 7:32:06 AM PDT by Delacon (“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H. L. Mencken)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

If the bill actually comes to the floor McCain will be ‘too busy campaigning’ to vote on it. Just watch.


24 posted on 03/13/2008 8:16:06 AM PDT by sheana
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To: sheana

yep. that’s courage...


25 posted on 03/13/2008 10:53:36 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (Conservatives are to McCain what Charlie Brown is to Lucy.)
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To: supercat

Each state and territory, as well as Washington, DC, can keep records of births. It’s not like the Feds need to do it for purposes of establishing a National ID.


26 posted on 03/13/2008 2:03:09 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cloverfield 2008! Why vote for a lesser monster?)
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Each state and territory, as well as Washington, DC, can keep records of births. It’s not like the Feds need to do it for purposes of establishing a National ID.

What bad things would the "National ID" do that aren't already in place?

If John Smith who was born in Oregon moves to Idaho and wants to register to vote, it will be necessary for the state officials in Idaho to verify his birth records. How is having Oregon maintain the records better than having the federal government maintain them? If Oregon receives a records request, there will be no standardized way for it to verify that it is fetching the records at John Smith's request. Further, if the federal government demands John Smith's birth records, I wouldn't expect Oregon to refuse.

As it is, the federal government has Social Security records for the vast majority of citizens born in this country. The only citizens who would not have such records would be those whose parents never declared them as dependents. So most likely the IRS would have a pretty good idea of when and where John Smith was likely born, and would probably be able to verify that information with the state at will. So how is that different from having the federal government hold the information (or at least a verified copy of it)?

27 posted on 03/13/2008 7:19:47 PM PDT by supercat
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

No matter what gets passed, both sides will come back after the elections and gut any tough anti- amnesty bill.

Dems and Pubbies both want amnesty. It’s all about money, power and votes.


28 posted on 03/13/2008 7:25:29 PM PDT by airborne (For ENGLISH, press '1' . For SPANISH, hang up and learn ENGLISH!)
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To: supercat

Well, let’s just say that, since the passage of the 16th and 17th Amendments, the federal government has assumed jurisdiction over more and more things in our lives. Why let it go any further?


29 posted on 03/13/2008 8:08:36 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cloverfield 2008! Why vote for a lesser monster?)
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