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Speeder Tasered by trooper on YouTube video gets $40,000 from state
The Salt Lake Tribune ^
| March 11, 2008
| Jason Bergreen
Posted on 03/11/2008 8:05:26 AM PDT by abb
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To: wideawake
"The Department of Public Safety investigated the situation and cleared Gardner of any wrongdoing"
Means nothing. Cops being investigated by other cops are almost never found to be guilty of any wrong doing. Cops can shoot and kill completely innocent people out of sheer incompetence and stupidity and be cleared of any wrong doing by their fellow officers.
The fact that he was sent for training shows that someone recognized that he was in the wrong and a danger to the public. I would like to think it was one of his superiors, but I am guessing it was someone from the Utah Risk Management Fund which has to clean up the messes from idiots like officer Gardner.
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posted on
03/11/2008 9:28:31 AM PDT
by
monday
To: monday
Means nothing. So you say, but it actually has legal weight - while your opinion doesn't.
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posted on
03/11/2008 9:29:46 AM PDT
by
wideawake
(Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
To: woollyone
They support LEOs! Is there something wrong with supporting law enforcement?
Should law enforcement supporters switch their allegiance to felons instead?
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posted on
03/11/2008 9:30:56 AM PDT
by
wideawake
(Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
To: wideawake
“So you say, but it actually has legal weight ...”
Sadly you are correct. I say sadly because when it comes to police investigating their own, they have the worst reputation for corruption in the world. Abuse of power doesn’t get any more blatant.
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posted on
03/11/2008 9:35:06 AM PDT
by
monday
To: Wallace T.
“The best thing to do when pulled over by a police officer for a traffic violation is to shut up and hand over the license, proof of insurance, and registration.”
I take the added step of only opening the window enough to allow this and not answering any questions.
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posted on
03/11/2008 9:35:39 AM PDT
by
KEVLAR
To: abb
The suit said Massey fell screaming in pain after being shocked while Gardner taunted him by saying, "Hurts, doesn't it?"
If this is true, then it isn't a "close case" and the state's getting off lightly.
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posted on
03/11/2008 9:37:39 AM PDT
by
highball
("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
To: wideawake
“Should law enforcement supporters switch their allegiance to felons instead?” They do exactly that when law enforcement officers commit felonies.
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posted on
03/11/2008 9:38:03 AM PDT
by
monday
To: Orange1998
I watched it before I made my comments, Thanks
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posted on
03/11/2008 9:47:00 AM PDT
by
Michael.SF.
("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
To: wideawake
You are being intellectually dishonest.
Read my post agian.
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posted on
03/11/2008 9:49:38 AM PDT
by
woollyone
(entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
To: monday
They do exactly that when law enforcement officers commit felonies. When someone is convicted of a felony they are stripped of their law enforcement status.
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posted on
03/11/2008 9:53:48 AM PDT
by
wideawake
(Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
To: woollyone
kinda like... The beatings will continue until morale improves. I see we have worked for the same company!
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posted on
03/11/2008 9:56:14 AM PDT
by
Niteranger68
(Where are they hiding Obama’s white half?)
To: woollyone
Read my post agian. I read it through in the first place, and you really shouldn't be commenting on anyone else's "intellectual" anything.
I'm not sure exactly how the process works in UT, but most law enforcement agencies of any size are supervised by independent review agencies that do not report to anyone in law enforcement.
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posted on
03/11/2008 9:56:21 AM PDT
by
wideawake
(Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
To: highball
The suit said Massey fell screaming in pain after being shocked while Gardner taunted him by saying, "Hurts, doesn't it?" More BS from the law suit. That is not what occurred.
Much later, long after he was tazzed, a second officer approaches and asks "what have we got here?".
The first officer says: "Oh, he took a ride on the tazer. Painful isn't it?"
Not in a taunting tone, but in a rather matter of fact tone. Actually after watching it a second time, the wife is lucky she did not get tazzed as well.
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posted on
03/11/2008 10:01:56 AM PDT
by
Michael.SF.
("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
To: abb
To: Sue Perkick
“I think every good cop would agree with that. Its the horses behinds like this guy who mess it up for the rest of them. Its reaching a point where the public is hesitant to trust cops at all anymore.”
I don’t trust cops. My ex-brother-in-law is a cop. He once told me cops lie on the stand because the other side lies too. Nice.
To: wideawake
“When someone is convicted of a felony they are stripped of their law enforcement status.” Yes, but LEO’s who commit felonies are rarely convicted due to the help and support of their supporters, usually other LEO’s. That doesn't make them innocent.
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posted on
03/11/2008 10:03:14 AM PDT
by
monday
To: abb
So, all I have to do is bait a cop into zapping me for a quick $40K? Cool!
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posted on
03/11/2008 10:07:17 AM PDT
by
JimRed
("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
To: wideawake
My comment was already posted in an unaoplogeticly clear conscience. If you deliberately try to change the argument for the sheer sake of being argumentative, then I shall call you on being intellectually dishonest.
If you neither like it or even if it perhaps gets me banned, I care not.
I posted the truth.
Deal with it.
Internal investigations are notoriously corrupt when done in LE agencies.
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posted on
03/11/2008 10:08:08 AM PDT
by
woollyone
(entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
To: Rick.Donaldson
but getting zapped by the taser was just the cops way of punishing the man. In all sincerity, what should the cop have done with somebody who clearly was not listening to him?
He was told three times to put his hands behind his back or to turn around. He then was backing away from the cop, back towards the car and did not stop.
That was when he got zapped. What do you feel the cop should have done to get the guy under control?
Note also, while in the car he admitted to going 58 mph, later he says he was not speeding. The cop clearly told him why he was pulled over ('going a little fast'). The man later says he was not told why he was getting a ticket.
Sorry, but based on the tape, the tazing was within guidelines.
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posted on
03/11/2008 10:09:35 AM PDT
by
Michael.SF.
("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
To: JimRed
So, all I have to do is bait a cop into zapping me for a quick $40K? Cool! You did not see the one of the guy in Vancouver who got zapped did you?
$40K should be enough to pay for his funeral.
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posted on
03/11/2008 10:11:07 AM PDT
by
Michael.SF.
("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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