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Orderly Universe: Evidence of God?
ABC News ^ | March 2, 2008 | John Allen Paulos

Posted on 03/07/2008 4:40:38 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: RightWhale

And God hears you and sees you.


181 posted on 03/08/2008 4:49:28 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

God is laughing, too. We are amusing creatures.


182 posted on 03/08/2008 4:52:57 PM PST by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: presently no screen name
Why do you waste your time on the unknowable, when the knowable things you reject?

I'm not sure which things which are factually evident that I'm rejecting. If you'll provide a list of them, I will certainly consider them and reverse my views if appropriate.

183 posted on 03/08/2008 5:17:24 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: RightWhale

Probably laughing more at me than you. Because I really know better - no one gets to KNOW God without wanting to. It doesn’t happen because of what this one or that one says. And we are told that it will be called foolish by unbelievers. He said many other things but I’ll leave it at that. However, what He says about the subject is The Truth - I see it over and over again.


184 posted on 03/08/2008 5:29:48 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Dog Gone
things which are factually evident that I'm rejecting.,

Unless your five senses give you answers, it doesn't exist. Doubting Thomas complex.

If you'll provide a list of them, I will certainly consider them and reverse my views if appropriate

If you are looking for what is appropriate, I suggest you make your own list and consider it. But leave pride in the next room (no one will know, so it's OK). You can pick it up again and clothe yourself w/it, lest you feel nekkid without it.
185 posted on 03/08/2008 5:41:30 PM PST by presently no screen name (.)
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To: presently no screen name

Cool, I’m supposed to make a list of things where I’m wrong while naked.

If this passes as argument, or even rational discussion at this forum today, the forum has either gone way over my head or is becoming something which I hope is flowing into my septic system.


186 posted on 03/08/2008 6:02:59 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone; Elsie
The world is at least as sinful now as it was before the Flood.

Actually, it's not there yet. It won't be until the very end.

187 posted on 03/08/2008 6:25:05 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Dog Gone; AndrewC; CottShop; reasonisfaith

You know, for your claims of having such a religious upbringing, you sure have missed a lot. The questions you are asking are not deep theological ones but stuff and anyone with a even cursory knowledge of Scripture ought to be able to answer.

You are displaying an appalling ignorance of Scripture.


188 posted on 03/08/2008 6:29:04 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

I wasn’t trying to ask deep theological questions.

Maybe it says something about you that you thought I was.

Maybe because I don’t necessarily agree with you on everything written in the scripture, you think I’m ignorant of it.

That is typical of someone who is egocentric, close-minded, and suffering from some sort of superiority complex.

Enjoy it.

Leave the actual discussion to people who like to discuss things and are qualified to make arguments.


189 posted on 03/08/2008 6:45:41 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

God was chillin with the homies playing Madden ‘08


190 posted on 03/08/2008 6:57:26 PM PST by Porterville (I hasten karmic justice through revenge.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"I've received a large number of e-mails from subscribers to creation science (who have recently christened themselves intelligent design theorists)

"Creation Science" and "Intelligent Design" Theory are not interchangeable terms. If the guy doesn't keep himself any better informed than that, I'm not sure why anyone would bother to listen to him.....and "God" by usual definition, is the "Uncaused Cause." Whether he agrees with it or not, it's amazing to see a supposedly educated individual entirely unaware of this idea.

191 posted on 03/08/2008 7:06:48 PM PST by cookcounty (Obama reach across the aisle? He's so far to the left, he'll need a roadmap to FIND the aisle.)
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To: Dog Gone; metmom
I wasn’t trying to ask deep theological questions.

Well, then as metmom pointed out, you succeeded. Your questions (except possibly one) are of the caliber demonstrated by the sentence, "Is God a tenor, baritone, or bass?"

192 posted on 03/08/2008 7:16:45 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: Dog Gone

I know you weren’t asking deep theological questions. They are pretty basic ones. It’s not a matter of difference of opinion. It’s that you’re asking questions about stuff that’s clearly answered in Scripture and you don’t seem to have a clue about them.

It does not fit with a highly religious background.


193 posted on 03/08/2008 7:27:28 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; AndrewC
Neither one of you seemed interested in getting into the discussion of the questions, which are apparently so completely resolved in your minds that others should not even discuss them.

However, you both felt it was necessary to dismiss me as stupid or ignorant.

What other questions no longer need to be discussed at FR? Can either of you geniuses provide a list of stuff that you've already decided has been decided?

194 posted on 03/08/2008 7:39:17 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Excellent response to this article!


195 posted on 03/08/2008 7:54:06 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Dog Gone; metmom
Neither one of you seemed interested in getting into the discussion of the questions, which are apparently so completely resolved in your minds that others should not even discuss them.

I am not interested in answering supercilious and inane questions(and I assume the same goes for metmom). By your phrasing of questions, your intent seems evident.

What God did before time began cannot be answered to your satisfaction, because any answer will involve an element of faith. You evidently proscribe faith(your post 112), even to a question which by its phrasing requires faith.

196 posted on 03/08/2008 7:54:20 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: Dog Gone
You are 'supposed' to do anything and neither am I. You asked me to make a list, I in turn, said make your own list. It's your life, not mine.

Put your prideful coat back on - your getting panicky.
197 posted on 03/08/2008 8:03:29 PM PST by presently no screen name (.)
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To: Dog Gone; AndrewC; CottShop; jwalsh07; Elsie

Look, you’re making statements that creationists always believed the universe always existed which they don’t and then asked for Scriptural references to support that. The first verse in the Bible tells you that. There’s plenty in the Gospels that Jesus said if you had read those.

You’re asking questions about what God was doing before the beginning of time and that is not addressed in Scripture, as you would know if you knew it.

Your comments about the Flood aren’t accurate.

The questions about free will and the problem of evil and suffering are addressed in Scripture as well.

People have tried answering your questions. Hit *View Replies* and you’ll get some answers to some of them.


198 posted on 03/08/2008 8:22:59 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Actually, it's not there yet. It won't be until the very end.

Seven years of it, each getting progressively worse! Katrina , in comparison, will look like a sun shower. "Rights and freedom' gone, everyone will be in survival mode. And that's just the good part. The writing is already on the walls. The mid east oil countries plan on changing from US currency to EU currency - bringing down the dollar further. In a few months, UK will be monitoring any visitors and if they overstay their visit - out they go, or... all 'that' technology is in place. God has been taken from schools but evolution being taught, can't mention Jesus but here's how you put on a condom. We are being told homosexuality is normal and one cannot said anything - it's a hate crime. The list is ongoing - prophecy is being fulfilled as we watch.
199 posted on 03/08/2008 8:28:38 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: AndrewC; Dog Gone

The *What was God doing before the beginning ot time?* rates right up there with * If God can do anything, can He make something to heavy for Himself to lift?*

Totally inane questions and total waste of time trying to answer. It’s not relevant to what we need to know. God never told us, so it’s merely idle speculation. If there were anything useful to be gained from answering the question that would be different, but to ask questions just for the purpose of idle philosophizing? It’s just for the purposes of argument, not for sincere seeking.

If lack of an answer to a question like that is justification for rejecting God, well, so be it. That’s their choice since it’s all a matter of free will anyway. I suppose everyone is entitled to have a reason for that and they get to pick.


200 posted on 03/08/2008 8:30:46 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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