Posted on 03/06/2008 4:34:20 PM PST by wagglebee
Failure to adopt an Oregon-style death and dying law in other states is not because Americans reject laws promoting further autonomy at the end of life. Public opinion polls assessing government attempts in 2005 to keep Terri Schiavo alive in a persistent vegetative state indicated that Americans largely disapproved of officials' actions, viewing them as an unwelcome government intrusion into the most personal of life decisions. Those responses surprised legislators and pro-life advocates.
Our comments on the Schiavo case in 2005, about changing expectations concerning autonomy and choice in decisions about death and dying, still strike at the heart of the matter: "What the recently intense national discussion demonstrates is that below the radar of politicians, political strategists and analysts, such change has slowly but surely come through the many conversations that have taken place in family kitchens, hospital hallways and church offices over the last 30 years."..........
This is REALLY frightening. Ever since I read the Robin Cooke book (COMA, I think that was the name of it) back in the 70’s, I have been one of those tin-foil types in regard to organ transplants. I know the field of transplants has saved many lives and extended the life of many people, but I also believe that there is a dark side to it.
There was a movie that came out a few years ago called “The Island” about people who were cloned for the sole purpose of being “spare parts” for wealthy people who might need them later. The acting was mediocre, but it was a decent story.
You bring up here an important point.
Another telling story in post #317.
On EWTN shortwave radio, they told about a 20-year old man who was “brain dead” so they asked the family if they could use his body parts. The family agreed, because after all, he was “brain dead.”
Then a nurse ON HER OWN took a knife and put it in the young man’s foot and he reacted.
Long story short - he had physical therapy and was home four months’ later DRIVING an automobile.
It makes me wonder why medical people don’t automatically do something like this as a matter of procedure. I wish a pro-life congressperson would make this some kind of law.
How about we start collecting names of pro-life politicians who are running for office soon.
Here’s one:
ANDY HARRIS is a guy worth fighting for, and I hope everyone checks out his website.
Abortion
As a father of five, Andy is pro-life. He is a leader in the pro-life movement in both the Maryland State Senate and the state of Maryland as a whole.
http://andyharris08.org/issues/abortion.html
We especially need more pro-life congresspersons and U.S. senators.
Recall, "Left" comes from the Latin, "sinister" and this is the party of those as leftist as they come. The party has slipped beyond equivocation, beyond hope just as Clinton left the town of Hope, AR. behind ages ago.
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Someone watching the Democratic candidates debate could be forgiven for wondering if they're viewing a year-old videotape. But the reality is Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama are so hidebound by ideology and beholden to left-wing interest groups that actual events are not allowed to intrude on their scripts. ~Snip~ Pro-life conservatives generally have two straw men to battle when arguing their case, one from each end of the life cycle — the case for embryonic life and some variation on the Terry Schiavo case. In each instance, the charge of religious extremism is likely to be hurled. Because the charge that the argument in favor of embryonic right to life is purely a religious one, prominent bioethicists Robert P. George and Christopher Tollefsen set out on what might seem a peculiar task. In Embryo: A Defense of Human Life, they decide to make the case for the rights of human embryos absent any religious argument whatsoever.................
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'Before and After Schiavo' 5 p.m. today. Carmela Epright discusses ways in which the Terri Schiavo case affects bioethics and public policy. St. Edward's University, Fleck Hall, Room 305; 3001 S. Congress Ave. Free. 464-8871.
Learning Calendar Classes and workshops this week
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Tales from the dark side, from the enemy camp, from the worshipers of death, show once again, they can't shake Terri's Legacy. Even if we didn't remind, the leftists do it so often.
But what should really put the anti-choice community on the radar of the skeptical community is their hostility to science and their affection for anti-scientific claims. Anti-choicers make outlandish claims about the brain activity and feelings of embryos and fetuses, claims that could potentially affect a woman who obtained an abortion and believed lies about what happened later. They make deeply unscientific claims about how hormonal contraception causes abortion in order to give cover to a larger anti-contraception agenda. They make claims about how condoms don't work in an effort to dissuade people from using this potentially life-saving prevention device. And let's not get into the unscientific, woo-esque claims made about how Terri Schiavo could have a miraculous recovery.
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Or nauseating.
The deathbots love to tell us that Terri was "brain dead" (often expressed in very unflattering terms). But then at the same time, they claim that she "wanted" to be released from her pain and misery. As she was being murdered, they had the gall to tell us that she was actually "euphoric" as a result of having every cell in her body screaming out for hydration.
What no deathbot has EVER been able to answer is HOW, if Terri's brain injuries were as advanced as they claimed, did she experience pain, anguish and euphoria? If the brain injury was that advanced than these feelings would be IMPOSSIBLE and, by the same token, if she WAS able to experience these things, it is axiomatic that the extent of her brain injury was nowhere near as significant as they believed.
They can't have it both ways.
Pat Mahoney and his group left the Pinellas Park vigil to try to get something done in Tallahassee and Washington DC, but the fix was in and time was running out. I would have copied more of the article, but we can only excerpt from this site.
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TALLAHASSEE, Florida (CNN) -- With their court battles apparently exhausted, supporters of Terri Schiavo's parents said Sunday that they would take their efforts to Washington on Monday.
Demonstrators on both sides of the debate shout and hold signs outside the hospice Sunday.
The Rev. Patrick Mahoney, a conservative Christian activist who has become a prominent figure in the protests over Schiavo's case, said he will go to Washington to plead with congressional leaders and the Bush administration to enforce a subpoena issued March 18 by a House committee for the 41-year-old woman to appear before Congress.............
Backers of Schiavo's parents head to Washington
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And “choice” now means “preferred.”
Is anyone aware of ANYONE ever getting away with ignoring a Congressional subpoena in this manner?
I think that the baseball players and oil executives should just start finding some third-rate probate judge to say that they don’t have to appear.
Earlier, I had been sitting alone in the grass, dejected, drained of energy, and meditating, did not hear the approach of one of the media types. He simply reached over, put some candies in my hand, and slipped away. Decent media types were there and they understood what was happening, but we can bet much of what they would say got no further than that spot. Their superiors would drop it to the cutting room floor and stomp on it.
In my post above, note they call us “anti-choice”. How they stretch words beyond the breaking point, I can only wonder. I seem to recall a story where at the beginning, the critters sat around brainstorming to find a good word or slogan and someone brought up this word, “choice”, almost as an afterthought, bringing about ironic laughs. Bingo, it was a prime tool, ready for sharpening.
Thread by wagglebee.
The question of the use of deep sedation in the Netherlands as the alternative form of euthanasia is an important question.
In the case of deep sedation, a person is usually sedated and then fluids and food are withdrawn, resulting in an intentional death by dehydration or "slow euthanasia."
Intentionally killing someone by injection (or as Dignitas Clinic in Switzerland now does, with a plastic bag and helium) usually takes several minutes and usually not more than one hour.........
Deep Sedation is Often "Slow Euthanasia"
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Whoopie, and jump for Joy and hit the Jack-road. It is the death lovers in a thread by wagglebee.
New York, NY (LifeNews.com) -- Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar, longtime hosts of the chatty television program "The View," praised Jack Kevorkian in a recent episode. Following news that Kevorkian has planned a Congressional bid, they praised him for killing more than 130 people in assisted suicides and murdering a disabled patient.
Kevorkian, a convicted murderer and assisted suicide crusader, made his candidacy for a Detroit-area Congressional seat official on Monday.....
"The View" Hosts Whoopi Goldberg, Joy Behar Defend Jack Kevorkian's Murder, Suicides
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The culture of death is like heroin: Once you start to mainline, it is never enough.
Consider the experience of the Netherlands. When euthanasia was quasi-legalized there by court order in 1973, access to mercy killing and assisted suicide were supposed to be limited to the very few. The killing would all be governed by euthanasia guidelines that, the Dutch people were assured, would protect against abuse. These included repeated requests, a lingering desire for death, second medical opinions, and a requirement that euthanasia was the only way to eliminate severe pain or suffering...........
The Culture of Death is Heroin
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