Posted on 02/29/2008 5:37:29 AM PST by SJackson
So, nu?
The Jewish memory in question is of Christian anti-Semitism and the Nazi Holocaust. Even Jews who know little about either Jewish or Christian history know by high-school age that for nearly 2,000 years, Jewish communities suffered from anti-Semitic persecution at the hands of Christians, that Christians massacred Jews during the Crusades, that there was a Spanish Inquisition, and that the Holocaust came from Nazism, a far-right doctrine.Because of this deeply ingrained memory associating Jewish suffering with Christianity and the far right, most Jews have a primal fear of Christianity (and even of religion generally, including Judaism) and of conservatives. Jews therefore vote for the party that opposes the party associated with anything even remotely connected with public religion or the right.
The problem with these memories is not that they are inaccurate; it is that they are no longer accurate.
Republican's need to recognize that tolerance and defence of comments like Baker's put's a lie to these memories is not that they are inaccurate in many peoples mind.
Jack Kemp isn't Jewish, give him a little credit.
I presume you think Koch and Kemp are liars.
The vicious wing of the GOP assassinates any and all that they disagree with. That's why many who have served the GOP are dropping out.
Were a situation similar to Florida Election 2000 to arise today, it is doubtful that Baker would participate as he did in 2000.
Nor unique to the GOP.
“A situation caused to a large extend by Republican bigots like Baker”
That’s a very interesting “take” on why Jews will vote for the party of Jimmy Carter, Arafat smooching Clinton, “blankety blanking n.... Jew blank” Hillary, and and soon, Farakkhan’s protege Obama - over any Republican.
Very interesting to blame their near-suicidal liberalism on Republican anti-semitism.
But hard to swallow. No, impossible to swallow.
The democrats will unite behind who wins the nomination. The GOP will not unite behind McCain, the vicious wing of the GOP will continue to assassinate him.
If, somehow, McCain can pull together enough votes to get elected, he will govern impotently because the GOP is splintered and a significant segment will assassinate his presidential character.
“but hey James Baker said something that hurt their feelings and that;s all that matters.”
You did not read the article carefully enough and you don’t know your history.
Baker and Bush 1 screwed Israel over big time by denying them loan guarantees because of settlement activity. That was a stinking first. He also pushed Rabin and the Madrid Conference down their neck.
Further he is an Arabist who has always taken the Saudi scapegoating position on Israel — that the Pali problem is at the heart of all the turmoil in the ME and among Muslims, ie ‘it’s Israel’s fault’. The latest time he did that was in the Iraq Study Group which Pres Bush 2 acknowledged and then pronptly ignored.
And it bothers me (just a little) that his law firm is defending the Saudis against the 9/11 victims.
“It would help matters if people understood the difference between being “Jewish” and being “Zionist.” There are still in America a lot of Jews who believe that the Zionists went against the Word of God by establishing Israel by their actions rather than waiting for God to fulfill his promises.”
No difference. Anti-zionism is the new anti-semitism. Maybe someone with your name is willfully blind to this phenomenon.
And for the record you don’t know a damn thing about Jews and their religion. The so called “lot of Jews” who reject Israel is a tiny minority fringe group universally reviled and condemned by Jews the world over.
That's a very interesting "take" on why the GOP percentage of the Jewish vote went from the mid 30s in the 1980s to 11% in 1992.
Telling voters to *uck themselves isn't smart politics.
Same reason Jimmy Carters share of the Jewish vote went from 71% in 1976 to 45% in 1980. Telling Jews he was going to *uck them after the election wasn't good politics.
And I'll note again, we're talking about American Jews, not Israel.
Since you can't swallow that concept, do you think it's a good strategy?
Baker makes Pat Buchanan look like a B’nai B’rith member in comparison.
Of course they'll be there, they've never left.
Well, you certainly do have a point.
Not any more, Baker won, victims lost.
And you're correct that the context of the remark was that wonderful decision to rehabilitate a terrorist in exile in Tunis, Abu Ala aka Yasser Arafat, and pressure Israel, aka the Jews, to accept that decision, rather than continue negotiations with homegrown palestinians. Less forceful leaders I admit, but not known terrorists with American blood, I won't bother with Jewish blood, on their hands either. The genesis of the failure of American mideast policy relative to the palestinians. Not to suggest we had a role to play to begin with.
I just read “The Judge: William P. Clark, Ronald Reagan’s Top Hand,” by Paul Kengor and Patricia Clark Doerner.
The self-serving leaking practiced by Baker and Company, along with their typical RINO tendencies to compromise, did this nation great harm. Fortunately for all of us, the stage had already been set for the fall of the Soviet Union before these people wrested power away from the conservatives with vision.
Great read, by the way. I’d highy recommend it to anyone.
They are historically reliable Democrat voters and, for the life of me, I don’t know why. The Democrats have never made a habit of acting in their best interests, in fact they have consistently lent support to their sworn enemies, here and abroad. I realize that reformed Jews (the vast majority) have always been excessively liberal regarding social issues (especially abortion), but now they they act increasingly willing to throw Israel under the bus. What really kills me, the two groups that hate them most in America, the blacks and the muzzies, have enjoyed virtually unwavering Jewish support. Sheer lunacy on their part, it seems.
Not familiar with that, I’ll take a look
Judge Clark was that rare creature in political life: he didn’t promote himself. He refused to write his own story for years, but finally agreed to let this biography be written.
In my opinion, there were only three other people who did more than William Clark to bring down the Soviet Union: Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, and Pope John Paul II.
Why are you here posting on this forum since you hate the GOP so much?
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