Posted on 02/25/2008 12:10:00 AM PST by Global2010
The Founders, whose who had any organized schooling at all before college, went to schools with far more dress restrictions than we're talking about here.
Back when I was in public school we had Louis Farakhan followers dressed in muslim type garb minus the face scarf and no one cared then.
But then we had the biker dudes with Zig/Zag man t shirts oily hair and jeans.
Ect Ect...times have changed and not for the better.
Hah a recylce emblem/go green/save the earth ect...
Newflash. Public schools are NOT the military! In the military they can also control where you live, what you eat, what you say, and may order you to kill or die.
Military officers are highly trained, live by the same rules they enforce, are subject to rigorous discipline, and tend to have integrity. Public school officials tend to be the most mindless, bottom feeding trolls who fell out of the easiset department at the local community college. The "education" department.
Public school teachers and principles like to THINK they have life or death control of MY KIDS, but they DO NOT. Not morally. Not leagally. Not practically.
People need to play by the rules of the place they accepted going to school and work.
The all-powerful state taxes me at 50% of my income, effectively preventing me from sending my kids to a private school. When I "accepted" sending my kids to Public School, it was an extremely reluctant acceptance, based on limite finances.
It is not all about what an individual wants to do.
I went to catholic school and never had an issue with this. We could wear it all day everyday. This kid might want to consider asking his parents to send them to a Catholic school if his faith is that important.
Catholic schools are private and can make whatever rules they want to. Public schools are public and have to follow the laws of the nation, which include the first ammendment. Not allowing people to wear crucifix's or other symbols of their religion that in no way interfere with the educational environment is NOT OK. It's not neutral. It *IS* part of the Socialist / Atheist plan to make religion the equivelent of gang banging. If you don't know this I suspect you haven't dealt with the public shcools much.
Parents should be willing to shell out the bucks like my parents were.
Private schools cost a LOT more than 20 or 30 years ago. Lots of kids would like to go. For me it was either have the money to send my kids to decent colleges, or send them to private high schools. Both my kids went to excellent PRIVATE colleges, but had to endure public high school. Both fully understood that they were operating in a hostile environment, filled with socialist parasites, liberal toe-sucking freaks, and queer activists - and were trained to behave adccordingly, while still maintaining their autonomy, freedom of thought and personal integrity. It was *NOT* easy, but, for us it worked.
My oldest brother was a teacher in the philly school district and over 30 yrs ago was told to remove his cross necklace by his principal. He told the principal that he’d remove his cross when that lady teacher with the head thing removed her head thing (his words). The Principal told him that the female teacher’s dress was part of her culture and my brother replied that his crucifix was part of his italian/irish catholic culture. And that he wasn’t removing it until the female teacher removed her head thing (again his words). This was 30 years ago. It’s been going on a long time, it’s not something new.
All the kid has to say is that it’s part of his *culture* and the principal can’t do a thing about it.
Well if the gangs are wearing plastic beads like we make our rosaries with a teen camp, same type of plastic beads on this young mans necklace then those gang bangers are very thrifty.
I would think gangsters would be more fancy and use the rosaries and crucifixes thaat rang in the $300 and up range “real Catholic Bling”
Back when my adult kid was in Jr high his freind was told along with her Dad who taught at the school that her t shirt was threatning.
Heh It said Something like in regard to accepting Jesus as the way on one side and on the back it said or end up Burnt Toast. Didn’t fly with the principle.
Ha Ban NIKE and see what happens.
It’s been happening here for decades.
And they still aren’t winning which is why they keep trying to indoctrinate the younger students. First is was high school, and they didn’t get anywhere there, teens don’t fall for that stuff. Then is was middle school, and yep those kids are too smart to fall for it, now it’s elementary students as young as kindergarten. It’s discouraging but those kid won’t fall for it either because the home life is far more important and influential, imo. “They” can try to change anything they want but they won’t be able to change thoughts and what most know as true.
We have to keep fighting them of course but as history shows they won’t win anyway.
We can have all the gay-straight alliances in our high schools yet most teens don’t fall for it. Silent Day or whatever it’s called, my teens tell me most of their classmates laugh about it. They’re not reaching these kids because these kids aren’t stupid and those they’re reaching are stupid anyway. And it’s the same in the middle schools. So now all the agenda people are focusing on the elementary schools and I’m sure they’ll find those kids won’t buy it either.
I think the same is true for all this multiculturism. The kid should wear his cross and say the hell with it. Principal can’t do a damn thing about it. All his parents have to mention is that they’re taxpayers and pay his salary and they’ll sue. Scares the hell out of public school admin. At least in this area.
I agree. Parents have more say so the kid (or better, the parent)has to tell the principal, eff you basically and my kid is wearing a symbol that is indicative of his culture and there’s not a damn thing the principal can do about it. And, a lawsuit in the making to the principal. That will shut him/her up.
The Constitution doesn’t apply to teens or children. Learned that in hs history. And the laws never applied to teens, children so there’s that.
Anyway, they don’t apply since children aren’t held responsible or accountable in most cases so the rights given in our constitution don’t apply to them.
Children do have to adhere to the code of dress/conduct in schools, even public schools. But their parents can fight it and have fought it. This kid’s parents could fight the principal’s making him take off or not wear the cross. And if they wanted, they could easily win.
The Founders were more intelligent than the statist rule-book worshiping crapola you’ve been posting here.
Like the guy said above, Ja wohl, Mein Führer!
Cite me case law that says that.
Otherwise you’re just spresding misinformation and hot air.
Interesting. And I agree somewhat. Public schools are funded by the taxpayers thus every taxpayer has a say in what’s going on. Now that doesn’t mean we’ll get heard or it will go our way (believe me I know here in NJ) but we do have a say regardless of whether we have kids in those schools.
Parents have a huge say in the public schools and many parents understand this and many don’t, so they don’t exercise their rights.
I sent and send my kids to catholic school k-8 and public high school. And I have a say in my kid’s education in the public high school as I’m a parent and a taxpayer. The latter being most important to the institution.
Public school districts have to follow the way of the people in that district not the law or whatever of the nation. All this kid’s parents had to do was mention culture and suing and he’d be allowed to wear his cross.
Catholic and private schools are expensive. I know. I send my kids to k-8 catholic school and it’s incredibly expensive. We can’t afford catholic high school and even if we could I question that amount of money for a high school education.
And many catholic schools, at least in this area, aren’t all that conservative and some are really liberal.
It’s all about the home imo and always was and always will be.
However, I pay tuition so I get a say in my kids education. I pay taxes, so I get a say in their public education too. Parents need to speak up and fight. IMO. and it really does work.
Kids value and lean to what’s said in the home far more than what’s said in school. Any school. Kids are impressionable but they’re not stupid really.
I'm not worshipping anything. I accept that schools have to have rules, and this one did not seem onerous.
Like the guy said above, Ja wohl, Mein Führer!
I see. So accepting any authority is the same ans blindly enabling absolute authority. Are you twelve?
No, I’m against anti-Christian indoctrination by liberal “educators”.
Ping to KATU channel 2 news at 11pm for an update on the story.
KATU.COM should have the update if someone has a speedy browser.
My Webtv.takes 4 ever.
Salem/Portland is more gang land.
Nothing like Cali.
Hispanic gangs are starting to move into Oregon.
Then we have had problems but doing a good job shutting down the white trash meth labs in rented homes.
Seems ya get one social ill cleaned up and something else crops up.
Wearing a crucifix in plain sight is not a tenet of Christianity. Conflating the necklace with Christianity is dancing close to idolatry.
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