Posted on 02/24/2008 4:18:12 PM PST by no nau
Did the universe have a starting point?
Has the universe existed forever?
Then science was relegated to General/Chat and religion took over the News/Activism Forum.
In the process, most of the scientists were banned or gave up in disgust.
Result? Threads like this where science is denigrated as a belief system, while belief in biblical literalism is claimed to be based on science and scientifically proved.
George Orwell did not live in vain.
Paging Nehemiah Scudder. Pick up the white courtesy telephone please.
No kidding! Talk about missing the point! It's all about faith. No proof necessary. Either you believe or you don't.
“True. So what?”
So they should not be competitors. You can’t scientifically prove that the Bible is wrong. You can’t prove Biblically that science is wrong.
Yet we’ve got these people trying to judge science by a Biblical standard, and we’ve got others trying to judge the Bible by a scientific standard. They are comparing apples to oranges.
I'm glad for you. I read it and it seemed mostly gibberish.
6. Never using gay British spelling.
How do you know the Bible is not fiction?
“Does that make what he’s said here untrue?” ~ metmom
This is what is true:
Those who have a _need_ to believe something will believe it no matter what - and they can’t be reasoned with.
You may, or may not find this of interest:
7/3/2003
http://www.christianforums.com/t43741&page=12
Poster: Ok, I just got a email from Dr. Wise. This is what he said:
Dr. Kurt Wise: “..Given what we currently think we understand about the world, the majority of the scientific evidence favors an old earth and universe, not a young one. I would therefore say that anyone who claims that the earth is young for scientific evidence alone is scientifically ignorant. “
Who is Kurt Wise? Read on:
Towers Online - The News Service of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary http://www.towersonline.net/story.php?grp=news&id=344
April 13, 2006 By Jeff Robinson
Excerpts:
“Trustees at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary on April 11 unanimously approved the creation of two new theological study centersthe Center for Theology and the Arts, and the Center for Theology and Law, during the board’s annual spring meeting.
Seminary President R. Albert Mohler Jr. said the new study centers aim at equipping pastors and church leaders to think biblically about pivotal issues which dominate contemporary culture.
“One of the ways we want to lead Southern Baptists is through helping evangelicals and Southern Baptists in particular to engage some of the most critical issues of our day,” Mohler said.
“This is not a time for Christians to be out-thought by the world, but in general that is what happens. We find the church behind the times in thinking about some of the most crucial issues of our day.”
...Mohler also named Kurt Wise as the new director for Southern’s Center for Theology and Science, and professor of theology and science. ..
Wise earned both a doctor of philosophy and master of arts in paleontology from Harvard University. He and his wife Marie have two daughters.
Wise replaces William Dembski, who is leaving Southern Seminary to join the faculty at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary so he can be closer to his family.
“With the addition of Kurt Wise, we are recognizing that creation is a ground zero theological crisis point right now in American culture and even in our churches,” Moore said. [snip] ..
Romans 1:20 (NIV) “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities — his eternal power and divine nature — have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.”
" . . . so that MEN ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE." Chilling.
So if there is proof that God exists, then his statement that he created the world has likewise credibility.
I look at the world around me . . . nature . . . pregnancy . . . the eye . . . the hand . . . hormones/antibodies/digestive enzymes . . . gravity/momentum/centrifugal forces . . . the revolution of the solar system . . . and know that it did not just happen (i.e., evolve).
As an engineer, it seems OBVIOUS that it is a skillfully created, well-DESIGNED, well-CRAFTED, intricate, complex, interactive, carefully balanced, self-healing system.
I know that God exists. And because of what he did for us, sending his own son as a sacrifice, I know I can trust him, and his word. And his word says that he created the world we know.
Darwin’s theory, at least to me, has been completely destroyed by science. My understanding is that, despite massive effort, no direct evolutionary links between species has been found. My opinion is that it is impossible. When Mendel studied the fruit fly, one gene determined the characteristics he described. Not so in most cases. My favorite example is clotting. Clotting is a very very complex relationship between pro and anticoagulants which are naturally occuring. I cannot say how many genes are involved but there are at least hundreds. Perturbation of these processes leads to excessive clotting or bleeding. For an animal to develop enough genetic mutations at one time to keep homeostasis appears, to me, impossible. Some great engineer must have done it. I call this person God.
You think a crack addic's world in Detroit is Beauty? If not, than no "proof".
Christianity is based on truth and faith, so called science (darwinism) is based on faith with little proof.
Science is a religion on most Universities...
God did create a world of beauty. It was that person’s choices that got him where he is. God did not intend for him/her to make the choices he/she made.
God created.
Who else could have designed the known world based on the level of human intelligence that exists now or in the past?
Proof will be available when we meet God and he enlightens us.
Love God as God loves us unconditionally.
Jesus Christ became man and showed us how through his love and sacrifice.
Why do we allow our weaknesses not to understand the love that God gives us and return that love?
How did a poodle come from a long line of wolves? Evolution by breeding?
If you read/study/meditate on the Bible - you would never ask that.
I guess beauty must depend on where one stands.
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