JOHN McCAIN: TWO QUESTIONS TO EVERY SIDE

FIREHAT ^ | Feb. 12, 2008 | Norman Liebmann

[larry hagedon]

I thought hose your nose was very appropriate.

[larry hagedon]

I think it will turn on the Democrats crossover vote.

As the Democratic fight bloodies up, more and more of the losers of the Dem primary could turn to McCain. He is one of them anyway.

I still expect McCains first act as President elect will be to change parties and become a Democrat.

larry

[rockrr]

I think that they’re just envious that he presents a much more attractive candidacy for the libs than either of their two losers...;’}

[E. Cartman]

I still expect McCains first act as President elect will be to change parties and become a Democrat.

...which would raise the median IQ of both parties.

[WL-law]

“The Grand Old Party has become the Death Wish Party. They have made the Senate into an intellectual pygmy village...
....
The Senate is a whorehouse and McCain is the one whose virtue all the Democrat members attest to. What an endorsement! “

It’s time to resurrect term-limits.

[wolfcreek]

“I have yet to hear the liberals say a bad thing about McCain- that’s a bad sign”

He IS their Manchurian candidate. Even if they lose, they win with McCain.

Time to send out the *Dear John* letter.

[6323cd]

bttt

[incindiary]

"I have yet to hear the liberals say a bad thing about McCain- that’s a bad sign"

I think the liberals are salivating over the thought of McCain getting the GOP nomination. It's a dream come true for them, they know he's a horrible candidate who will lose, probably in a huge way.

[fabian]

it’s possible that McCain’s present position will humble him enough to take hold of his conservative side and team up with a much younger and stronger conservative as vp. I still believe that his core principles are a big enough contrast to Obummer’s, that he will do well in the coming debates. We need to make the best of this because the alternative is really bad. My first choice was Thompson but I think he didn’t wake up until it was too late.

[incindiary]

fabian, we just see this situation totally differently. He has a history of betraying conservatism and the constitution, as well as doublespeaking or being dishonest. The bottom line, in my view based on everything I have seen about him is, he is a globalist. I could never vote for a globalist, to me they are the enemy, no matter which party they claim to belong to. I know that sounds like a strong thing to say, but there IS a move towards globalism, the NAU, and ultimately the NWO. Anyone who loves this country should not vote for ANY candidate who stands for that, even if he has an R by his name. Btw, I posted some photos on another thread, I'll post them here too...

John McCain: "I think she is a very good person."

"...good character, honesty, integrity"   transcript, video



















Anyone who can say those things about Hillary Clinton is either a complete liar and evil himself... or delusional, insane or not smart enough to be elected dog catcher. Take your pick.

[fabian]

I think he was being simply too nice to her. We don’t stand much of a chance at all if she or Obama gets in and they will rapidly demasulate our intelligence and military strength. I don’t think it’s wise to let that happen. With McCain, he still has some conservative leanings and can at least be pressured to do right, such as back down from the latest amnesty debauckle. Also, we are at war , even though most of us don’t feel the effect of it right now. McCain would be a far better commander than the liberals. It’s not wrong to vote for someone who still has some conscience in order to avoid certain calamity from the left. At least we will still have a fighting chance.

[incindiary]

You don't seem very bothered by the fact that he is friends and close to one of the most corrupt politicians in the country (I'd say the only one more corrupt than her is her partner-in-crime, Mr. Slick) Maybe I'm more anti-Hillary than most, as you can see in this video I put together, but to me anyone who can say those things about Hillary, for ANY reason whatsoever, is someone I could never support, because that is extremely misleading to people, and a mockery of the truth.

As far as what you said about the war... Well, I don't want to be in Iraq for "100 years" as McPhony does. I know that my position on the war is very much in the minority on this site, but I want the war to end, it was an undeclared, undefined war that I believe we got into for reasons that go beyond what we were told. It's also bankrupting our country, which is making us weaker as we borrow billions from countries like China, and it has cost us more and more of our civil liberties, in the name of "security." And speaking of security, the words "war on terror" ring hollow as long as the borders are open, and I don't think Juan McOpen-borders-Amnesty will change the status-quo on the border situation.

So using the war to get conservatives to vote for McRINO may work for others here, but it isn't going to work for me, because I don't agree with Mr. "I don't think Americans care if we're there for 10,000 years" McGlobalist. I plan on writing in Paul's name, because I do agree with him on almost all issues, and he is the only constitutionalist and true patriot of all the candidates running.

Btw, thank you for being civil and nice, even though we definitely disagree on this. ;-]

[FBD]

I will never vote for a man who has taken money from, and has done the bidding of George Soros:

John McCain: George Soros’ Useful Idiot
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/30556.html

McCain’s Reform Institute donor list, note the Tides Foundation:
http://reforminstitute.org/about/AboutDonors.aspx

Sen. McCain; past Chairman pf the Reform Institute:
http://www.reforminstitute.org/about/about.aspx

[fabian]

you’re welcome...we can hold McCain’s feet to the fire to close the border and with hopefully a majority back in congress, the republicans will finally fix the illegal alien problem. The last outcry was huge from the public and it will continue.
When McCain said the people don’t care if we are in Iraq for a very long time, he obviously didn’t mean still at war but in some degree there helping them, just as we are in Germany and other friendly countries. Ron Paul will lower our defenses domestically with the much needed surveilance techniques and pull us out of Iraq right away regardless of the huge sacrifice of so many very brave souls. I don’t think that is a good or strong position at all but is born of weakness of some sort. All it will take is for the islamic whackos to be successful in one big bomb attack in one of our cities and we will be in very deep doodoo and we would suffer horrible lose of life. We are at war and there alot of good people doing alot of work to keep the brainwashed enemy from destroying our country. We tend to discount that because our lives go on as usual.

[incindiary]

I know that he meant "helping them", and not at war for 100 years. But I still don't agree with that, for the reasons I stated before and because the current foreign policy is not constitutional, and is bankrupting our country. You think it makes us stronger but I think ultimately the opposite is true, for numerous reasons. We are weakened financially as we borrow trillions to finance the wars. We are less safe when the military is overdeployed and spread too thin, and we're in perpetual war while our own borders are being neglected. We are weakened as a moral leader when we do things prop up dictators, for example Musharraf who overthrew an elected government, while simultaneously we claim to be "spreading democracy" (by the barrel of a gun).

And most importantly, back home we are losing the things most worth fighting; our freedom, liberties and rights as our constitution is being trampled and our government is becoming more and more like Big Brother, intruding on our lives and privacy - which is exactly what the founders warned us against, trading liberty for security. If we lose our sovereignty through open borders and globalist policies, and we're losing our liberty and rights that we cherish, then what are our soldiers fighting and dying for?

And if we continue on the path we're on, eventually we're not even going to have a country, because politicians in both parties are taking us towards globalism, so if you want a new world order, then continue to support people like McCain. As for me, I don't want an unfree and unAmerican NWO, I want us to have a republic, which is the type of government we're supposed to have.

[fabian]

uummm, McCain at least says he gets it now and will build the border fence. I hope employer enforcement will be included too. But how is getting Obama going to possibly put an end to the open border? If what you really want is a more secure republic, then splitting the conservative vote is not the way to go.
And some of your ponits about the war really don’t make sense. We are spending far more propping up our huge entitlement programs than our war effort and McCain has a histroy of doing something about that problem. That is one of his main points as it was for Thompson. And, by the way, we are being very successful in spreading democracy in Iraq as is being shown everyday there. The Iraq’s are loving America alot...it’s awefull that the msm is only interested in the bad news and actually wants us to fail. I think you are listening to Ron Paul’s isolationist ideas too much. It’s way too late for that as we have been attacked many times by the islamic whackos, finally we are fighting back...thank God. If Hitler was dealt with immediately by some brave european forces, world war two would have been avoided.

[larry hagedon]

a list I am on went for McCain, the moderators that is. They think I am a great traitor because I am not a McCain supporter.

I get a kick out of watching their posts. They only post anti Hill and Obama rants, never give any positive reason for voting for McCain. Only reason to vote for him is that they want to keep the Dems out.

That wont cut any ice for me.

I think the Liberal Republicans pushing McCain are in for a big surprise this year. I think it will be a massacre in November.

Running Liberals as Republicans cheapens the brand name and is self defeating, no different than a store selling shoddy merchandise with no warranty and expecting customer loyalty and repeat sales. It does not work.