Posted on 02/16/2008 10:53:04 AM PST by Petruchio
As crazy as he was, he was certainly sane enough to pick a gun-free zone for his slaughter.
When was the last time one of these perps chose a gun range, police station or a military base for their mass shootings?
When you focus on the crazy part, there was some really wierd stuff going on.
Shootings at Virginia Tech, Omaha mall, and now Northern Illinois University highlight popular wisdom for proclaiming “gun free “ zones. Popular reticence surrounds the outcome at New Life Church where a woman volunteer (not security guard) saved lives using her pistol.
A rigorous, twenty-year study by John Lott and William Landes from University of Chicago Law School supports expanded concealed carry in public use places. Passage of shall issue laws correlates with large decreases in multiple victim shootings, and reduced harm when shootings occur.
Citizen deadly force makes startling interruptions causing assailants to abandon or improvise plans. Police respond to incidences in progress, instead of arriving for body counts and paperwork.
Also important were absences of shootings. Public shootings provide perpetrators leading roles in malevolent fantasies. Previously imagined screams and explosions suddenly penetrate their beings, embellished by intimate, self-created visual stimuli of human terror, bloody mists, broken bodies, culminating in a crescendo of butchery and suicide at their chosen moment. The latent presence of armed citizens provides disqualifying deterrents, leading prospective murderers to abandon fantasies, or to seek supportive environments of “gun free’ zones.
Officials and media choose to weave comforting security elusions around incidents such as Northern Illinois University, Omaha mall or Virginia Tech. Businesses and colleges tout disturbing protocols for evacuating, witnessing, communicating, containing, coordinating, notifying, and counseling, while not revealing minimum police response times provide murderers five to ten minutes for uninterrupted violence. Cases of armed citizens thwarting public violence remain unrevealed.
Link to Study: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=272929
Cutters should not have a firearm permit. There should be a roll up you sleeve test in the permit process.
"The massacre was the fifth school shooting in a week, following episodes in Ohio, Louisiana, Tennessee and California that left a total of five dead.
And it came 10 months after 32 students and faculty were shot down by a mentally disturbed student at Virginia Tech University in the deadliest massacre ever at a US school.
"There is a contagion effect," said James Alan Fox, an author and criminologist. "They identify with the power of the perpetrator rather than the pain of the victim."
WHAT MEDICATIONS WAS HE ON? WHAT WAS HIS DIAGNOSIS?
Time for the media to quit obfuscating about this. My guess is that it was an ADHD or SSRI type drug.
I’d like to know how a mentally ill person gets hired as a prison guard.
Here is his myspace page
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=92521053
oops nevermind. It’s not him. Sorry
My guess is that it was attention deficit or mild depression, something that HUGE percentages of college students are medicated for. And I wouldn’t be surprised if large percentages of guards were so diagnosed. Until they come out and say for sure, the kid did not stand out from the college crowd at all.
SSRIs !
At least some stereotypes come from somewhere.
I think you fall into the liberal trap regarding firearms and responsibility.
People OUT of college the same age (and somewhat older) get drunk, go out and somehow (unless they’re already criminally-inclined) avoid shooting up places, many of them even carry (or at least have something in the car.)
This idea that drunken college boys would bust shots off in the lecture hall or other stuff ignores the fact that any malevolent OR foolish person can DO THAT NOW (as doing so would be a crime, regardless of permits and it just doesn’t happen.)
For the millionth time, the streets did not run red with the blood of the innocent in all the states that have shall issue or ‘no permit required.’ Same would apply to colleges where liberal orthodoxy would be a self-policing mentality, keeping most people disarmed except the ones that might actually make a difference in the next school shooting.
The same way a mentally ill person buys firearms from a retail gunshop, it appears. As with the VA Tech shooter, this guy wasn't sent to a psychiatric hospital against his will. He voluntarily entered a "rehab" clinic, so there was no reporting involved which a background check (by either a prospective employer or a gun dealer) would've picked up.
Doesn’t sound so mild if it landed him in a group home and out of the military. People with mild depression or ADHD do not usually commit mass murder when ‘off their meds.’ Do mild depressives cut? That is pretty extreme. The concept of needing medication so badly that going off meds would be so catastrophic points to bipolar or mild schizophrenia. Just speculating. I am aware of the SSRI syndrome too. We will have to wait and see.
Kazmierczak spent more than a year at the Thresholds-Mary Hill House in the late 1990s, former house manager Louise Gbadamashi told The Associated Press. His parents placed him there after high school because he had become unruly, she said. He had a short-lived stint as a prison guard that ended abruptly when he didn't show up for work. He also was in the Army for about six months in 2001-02, but he told a friend he'd gotten a psychological discharge. Kazmierczak enlisted in September 2001, but was discharged in February 2002 for an unspecified reason, Army spokesman Paul Boyce said. He worked from Sept. 24 to Oct. 9 as a corrections officer at the Rockville Correctional Facility, a medium-security prison in Rockville, Ind. His tenure there ended when "he just didn't show up one day," Indiana prisons spokesman Doug Garrison said.
A former employee at a Chicago psychiatric treatment center said Kazmierczak's parents placed him there after high school. She said he used to cut himself, and had resisted taking his medications.
Ok. He Graduated High School in 1998. That means he spent over a year in a Mental Institution sometime in the range of 1998 to 2000. Roughly one year later he enlists in the Army and is discharged 6 months later. Only 6 months after that he gets a job as a Prison Guard! Think about the time frame here. He is hired as a Prison Guard 6 months after his Army psychological discharge. AND this is roughly 2 years from his release from a Mental Institution. This alone is some spectacular weirdness in anti-gun Illinois.
Now, let's fast forward 5 years to 2007. On Aug. 6, 2007 he buys 2 handguns. In order to do that in anti-gun Illinois, he needs a F.O.I.D. card. Question #3 on the F.O.I.D. application says
3. In the past 5 years, have you been a patient in any medical facility or part of any medical facility used primarily for the care or treatment of persons for mental illness?
Hmmmmm, Looks like he Juuuuuuuust cleared that 5 year hurdle . . .
Next, in order to purchase he had to fill out a ATF F 4473 each time, and then go through the instant check.
ATF F 4473 line 11e Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana, or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?ATF F 4473 line 1f Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes having been adjudicated incompetent to manage your own affairs) or have you ever been committed to a mental institution?
Once again he skins by on a technicalities. (11e) He took (and then stopped) some forms of psychotropic medication, but they were not illegal because they were prescribed. (11f) He was not adjudicated , his own family placed him in the Institution, not a Court.
As we can see, 20,000 gun laws could not stop a deranged shooter. The only possible solution that had any chance of stopping him was if others in the immediate area were carrying concealed firearms and were in a position to return fire.
I am just sick and tired (as we all are) with these people who want to be famous on the day of their suicide. And the media feeds right into it. How about they report the story,etc. but never show the shooter’s picture, and never mention their name. How about , when they are digging into the past life,etc, they stress the cowardice. The shame that is brought onto the families, friends,etc.Remove all glory any twisted mind might perceive..
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