Posted on 02/15/2008 8:13:24 PM PST by 2findtheway
Don’t even get em started on Obama or Shrillary.
This reminds me of a quote from “Red October”
“I’m a politician which means i’m a cheat and a liar, and when i’m not kissing babies i’m stealing their lollipops.”
“Huckabee and Romney are both soft on illegal immigration. Mitt just flips and obfuscates more frequently.”
Simpley not the case. You are trying to equivicate their stances and they are not even close. Romney wants the borders enforced and has always been the strongest advocate right alongside Hunter and Tancredo. The only place where he differed on deportation. He recognized that there is not system set up to deport 12 million illegals at this time. But he stated that they “would have to go to the back of the line and apply” and “would not get any preference over other legally applying immigrants.
Huckabee never said anything of the sort. He thinks it’s ok for illegals to be here and accuses hardliners on illegals of being both “racist and unchristian. His words.
McCain says Romney flip-flops on immigration
By Liz Sidoti, Associated Press Writer | May 21, 2007
WASHINGTON —Republican John McCain accused presidential rival Mitt Romney of flip-flopping on immigration Monday and said with sarcasm: “Maybe his solution will be to get out his small varmint gun and drive those Guatemalans off his lawn.”
...Romney, who has sought to position himself to the right of McCain on this and other issues, says he opposes the measure because it would allow virtually every illegal immigrant to remain indefinitely, and, thus, “is a form of amnesty.”
A year ago, he sounded more open to some illegal immigrants gaining legal status, telling a New Hampshire newspaper: “Those who’ve been arrested or convicted of crimes shouldn’t be here. Those that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process toward application for citizenship, as they would from their home country.”
McCain made his comments after he was asked his opinion about GOP rivals opposing the Senate measure.
Referring to Romney’s stance, McCain said: “Maybe I should wait a couple of weeks and see if it changes because it’s changed in less than a year from his position before.”
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/05/21/mccain_says_romney_flip_flops_on_immigration/
When you’re through with your tantrum, please take the time to present your realistic solution under today’s circumstances.
Appeal to the source of a campaign? lol
Romney has endorsed his soulmate McCain. You didn’t hear?
As Huckabee will endorse McCain. Are you new at this?
No doubt. Huck, John and Mitt are peas in a pod.
Let the illegals stay and give them citizenship.
I see Huckabee as the only true conservative choice presently.
Of all the time these guys have been on the campaign trail, I don’t really hear anyone giving specific details of Huckabee flipping on the issues. Here are a few of his conservative stances:
I believe in the Human Life Amendment and I will fight for it from Day 1 of my Presidency.
I believe in the Marriage Amendment.
I believe in massive tax reform and am an advocate of the FairTax.
I believe that President Bush’s tax cuts should be made permanent.
I believe in the Surge, our troops and General Petraeus.
I believe the 2nd amendment is one of the best ways to protect us from tyranny and I will work tirelessly to protect it from activist judges.
I believe in real border security and have proposed a detailed 9 point plan to secure our borders.
I believe the best judge is a conservative judge that won’t legislate from the bench.
Here is a link with a more comprehensive view of everything he supports. Much more commitment and clarity than you will find on any of the other flip-flop websites. Compare McCain’s positions from his website then compare them to Huckabee:
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.Home
I guess McCain really doesn’t have to write much since his he has the entire GOP bluecoat media machine behind him. When Huckabee sweeps 2 out of 3 states when he was predicted to fail miserably, there was almost non-existent coverage. When McCain barely took Virginia and his Beltway Boys, it was a BIG win.
I will never vote for McCain - that is just a vote for another nudge to the left - a slow and painful process that will ultimately end in the Democratic Party absorbing the Republican Party.
And I will write in a vote for Huckabee in November if I have to. If Obama wins the general election, so let it be. It will be the GOP Party Leaders fault - for trying to stifle a real contest by putting pressure on other candidates to drop out so that we can choose Karl Rove’s choice for president (and disenfranchising millions of voters yet to vote in the primaries!). Real patriotic. Then we’re duped by all the establishment pundits telling us that its about “electability” and that you need to “vote for the team”. All this so they can send their puppet John McCain to the White House!
Huckabee is still in this race despite what all the media and radio talk show liars aren’t telling you about a brokered convention. Abraham Lincoln became president by a brokered convention, as well as a few others I believe... This race is going all the way to the convention - here’s the real math:
McCain has 796 bound and 18 unbound delegates.
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Now let’s do some math:
McCain needs 395 bound delegates to reach 1191 of the remaining states:
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Texas - 137 bound and 3 unbound
Ohio - 88 UNBOUND
South Dakota - 24 bound and 3 unbound
Wisconsin - 37 bound and 3 unbound
Vermont - 17 bound
Idaho - 26 bound and 6 unbound
Hawaii - 20 bound
Pennsylvania - 74 UNBOUND
Oregon - 27 bound and 3 unbound
Puerto Rico - 20 bound and 3 unbound
North Carolina - 69 bound
Indiana - 27 bound and 30 UNBOUND
Kentucky - 45 bound
Mississippi - 36 bound and 3 unbound
Rhode Island - 17 bound and 3 unbound
Nebraska - 30 bound and 3 unbound
New Mexico - 29 bound and 3 unbound
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There are 561 bound delegates left of which Mr. McCain must win 71% of to reach 1191.....now when was the last time he won with 71% of the vote?
Gee I wonder if Huckabee really becomes a possibility, if Sean Hannity, Rush, Mr. Rove, Neil Cavuto, Mitt, Bush, etc... and just about any other _____________ (fill in the blank) are all going to stand behind him with their pom-poms,,, you know, for the team, you know, so that we can stop Hillary and any other reason than for you to vote based on your own choice for the nominee?
I guess my bottom line is - vote for anyone but McCain. And it will not be my fault, or yours, it will be the GOP bluecoats that don’t believe in free elections anymore.
The only problem with your analysis is that Huckabee is not a conservative. The problem with your math is you can add 98% of Romneys Delegats to McCain.
increased taxes and spending
supports illegal immigration
soft on crime
etc.
Hope that bathwater doesn’t taste too bad.
Huck’s only hope is if McCain dies before November.
If that’s your idea of a realistic option, I’m sorry.
Just for the record, I’m not exactly sold on Huck’s conservative credentials. Huck might be qualified to be Governor of the U.S., but not President!
Huckabee’s position on immigration is outlined here:
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=4
I think some of your sources about Mike Huckabee’s position on immigration were a little gray???
You said:
1. Mike Huckabee disses Americans, Mexicans, promotes illegal immigration: http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/005609.html
It’s a blog with alot of quotes out of context.
2. The San Diego Union-Tribune ??? What is that?
3. Huckabee called the bill, “anti-Christian” and “un-American”... http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/01/28/News/316347.html
This was not even a quote - the author was not directly quoting him - how convenient. Yeah - I really trust his characterization of what he really said. I guess we can just go on his word.
4. Huckabee supported in-state tuition for illegal aliens... http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/03/11/News/318458.html
This may be true, but there were several criteria, like having at least 3 years of high school (indicating they have already been integrating into the school system) and at least they would have to pay for it (unlike other welfare plans). What are you supposed to do with these people when the Federal Government won’t protect our borders? Tell them to go loiter in front of a convenience store until the Feds are ready to pick them up, or that we will beep them when Congress has worked out Immigration Reform?
I am not completely defending him - but I believe that characterizing him of “supporting illegal immigration” is false. C’mon, even Ronald Reagan granted amnesty! Huckabee hasn’t voted for it yet!
“C’mon, even Ronald Reagan granted amnesty! Huckabee hasn’t voted for it yet!”
The sources are direct sources and most have links to other sources...Your sources are CAMPAIGN PROMISES from Hucksters own website lol.
In direct interviews regarding illegal immigration, Huckster made his point of support for them clear and also called people who were against illegals “unchristian” and “racists”.
As a newbie, I have to admit that I am pretty disappointed at the level of intellectual honesty here. This forum seems to be a bunch of back and forth nonsense - once again I get very little substantiative response on my posts. Just drive-by comments and a few people who are really afraid to research the facts, who prefer the interpretations of a few “smear merchants” rather than doing their own homework.
Of course Huckabee would put his positions on his website! Where else can a candidate clearly state his positions as if they were from their own mouth, without being distorted by the media! If you find inconsistency, then you can go back to his own words without making excuses, for everyone to see. Huckabee is the most transparent and very detailed about his positions more than any other candidate. All these others make non-committed statements shrouded in gray rhetoric on their websites. Like “I will secure our borders” - really!
As a newbie, I have to admit that I am pretty disappointed at the level of intellectual honesty here. This forum seems to be a bunch of back and forth nonsense - once again I get very little substantiative response on my posts. Just drive-by comments and a few people who are really afraid to research the facts, who prefer the interpretations of a few “smear merchants” rather than doing their own homework.
Of course Huckabee would put his positions on his website! Where else can a candidate clearly state his positions as if they were from their own mouth, without being distorted by the media! If you find inconsistency, then you can go back to his own words without making excuses, for everyone to see. Huckabee is the most transparent and very detailed about his positions more than any other candidate. All these others make non-committed statements shrouded in gray rhetoric on their websites. Like “I will secure our borders” - really!
Give me a direct quote or a video (like the one I provided on the opening of this topic that supports this - otherwise its simply false interpretation by some left winger wanted to inflame voters against Huckabee. I think we can leave it at that.
Huckabee does not support “illegal immigration”, however, I will concede that like the rest of the candidates he doesn’t necessarily support the “round ‘em up and ship them out” approach. He does support the fence, many additional border agents, technological monitoring, etc... - unlike our supposed Conservative GOP choice McCain. Apparently Duncan Hunter thought Huckabee was sincere in his position. Did Duncan Hunter raise any questions about Huckabee’s immigration plan?
Give me a direct quote or a video (like the one I provided on the opening of this topic that supports this - otherwise its simply false interpretation by some left winger wanted to inflame voters against Huckabee. I think we can leave it at that.
Huckabee does not support “illegal immigration”, however, I will concede that like the rest of the candidates he doesn’t necessarily support the “round ‘em up and ship them out” approach. He does support the fence, many additional border agents, technological monitoring, etc... - unlike our supposed Conservative GOP choice McCain. Apparently Duncan Hunter thought Huckabee was sincere in his position. Did Duncan Hunter raise any questions about Huckabee’s immigration plan?
Sorry about the double posts.
On second thought, your arguments are so compelling, I now support Huckabee.
The primary system has changed since then. We now have too many winner-take-all priamries, but didn't back then. As a result, Ford didn't have McCain's overwhelming delegate lead, and Reagan still had a fighting chance right up until the convention. Romney doesn't. After his big losses on Super Tuesday, his chances of winning became negligible. Dropping out and endorsing the inevitable nominee was his only option.
I am stunned at the stupidity of the Freepers who can't see that.
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