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Hate Crime Charges Against Teen Who Shot 'Feminine' Boy
cnsnews.com ^ | 2/15/08 | By Susan Jones

Posted on 02/15/2008 10:29:06 AM PST by paltz

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To: TChad

Where was this kid’s parents, that let him go to school dresses as a chick? It still doesn’t excuse the other guy from shooting him.


141 posted on 02/17/2008 4:48:19 AM PST by societygirl
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
I remember being forced to go home and change because I wore very modest, culottes, lol.
142 posted on 02/17/2008 4:50:29 AM PST by societygirl
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To: paltz

A photo of Lawrence King lays at a memorial in his honor.

143 posted on 02/17/2008 5:15:14 AM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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To: paltz

A charge of murder should be sufficient.
Tacking on the “Hate Crime” modifier just plays into the satisfaction of the socialists so that they can feel good about themselves.
The crime was sufficiently heinous by itself. There is no need to make it more so.


144 posted on 02/17/2008 5:20:21 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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To: societygirl

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1073879&srvc=home&position=emailed


145 posted on 02/17/2008 5:20:29 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: societygirl
That's a story about what happens to adults who appear in drag in public, get drunk, ram into the rear of another car, etc.

There are consequences for what we do. This guy is now out of a pension!

146 posted on 02/17/2008 5:21:48 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Well he was an adult, and not to be pitied. However, s KID going to school dressed as a woman is another thing. Again, where were his parents who allowed that.


147 posted on 02/17/2008 5:44:22 AM PST by societygirl
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To: muawiyah
It is the responsibility of parents and others in authority over children to instruct them in the ways of self-defense.

I didn't fail to understand your comment. The kid was shot in the back of the head...he couldn't easily defend himself if he didn't see it coming.

Also...if your attacker has a firearm, and you do not...your chances of surviving a confrontation are fairly minimal.

BTW, the Supreme Court has already said 14 is too young an age to "fry".

I know that, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

The kid murdered another kid in cold blood...he should FRY *IMO*

148 posted on 02/17/2008 6:27:46 AM PST by trussell
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To: bstonenj
Yes, because people generally associate anti-discrimination law with fascism. Hitler was certainly known for his demand for tolerance. Read a book you redneck...

Sure - how 'bout this one?

Jonah Goldberg - Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning

I'm not claiming Hitler has merit; I'm asserting rather that California is slouching toward another form of tyranny.

149 posted on 02/17/2008 9:02:55 AM PST by jimfree (Freep and Ye shall find.)
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To: muawiyah

There is a distinct probability, the shooter (McKierney) killed the other student (King), to prove to himself he was not gay. Perhaps, he had been friendly with the victim (King) and was harassed by other male students, and took his anger out in King.


150 posted on 02/17/2008 10:02:02 AM PST by punster
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To: trussell
It is presumed in this story that the 14 year old attacked the 15 year old because the 15 year old was a homosexual crossdresser.

We could all be wrong couldn't we. Maybe the 15 year old did nothing other than turn down the 14 year old ~

We had a homosexual murder in our neighborhood about 25 years ago. Two male school teachers who were known to be homosexuals went home together to partay. Something happened. Then one of them hit the other with a baseball bat and killed him.

As much as we'd all like to know the actual motives and some more of the "background" we won't get it because the shooter is 14.

151 posted on 02/17/2008 10:25:09 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

It doesn’t matter what happened other than to know that the victim was murdered by being shot in the head. The shooter should pay the ultimate penalty for his actions unless it’s found that his actions were in self-defense. (doesn’t seem to be the case here). There is no justification for cold-blooded murder...the killer needs to pay


152 posted on 02/17/2008 3:44:00 PM PST by trussell
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To: trussell
Could be "hot blooded". Still, the answer is the same ~ this was a minor killing a minor with a firearm in a school.

Unless someone decides to try the kid as an adult we'll never hear the outcome.

153 posted on 02/17/2008 3:48:49 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: trussell
It doesn’t matter what happened other than to know that the victim was murdered by being shot in the head. The shooter should pay the ultimate penalty for his actions unless it’s found that his actions were in self-defense. (doesn’t seem to be the case here). There is no justification for cold-blooded murder...the killer needs to pay

No one is questioning that the (soon to be) killer needs to pay.Of course the killer should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Of course the gay boy is the real victim here. Those things are not in doubt.

What is not clear are the reasons why the boy was shot, and whether or not the penalties for the (soon to be) murder should be dramatically increased because the victim was gay. Do we really want a legal system that gives a woman three years in prison for murdering her husband but gives two consecutive life terms to two men for murdering a homosexual? Why does our legal system seem to regard some lives as being so much more valuable than others, and some cold-blooded killers as so much more forgivable than others?

Liberals rank people by race, sex, and sexual orientation. Blacks are more valuable than whites, women are more valuable than men, and gays are more valuable than straights. Many conservatives, including me, strongly disagree with that ranking system, and do not enjoy seeing it tip the scales of justice. I think that is very likely to happen in this case.

I hope that the killer receives exactly the same sentence he would receive for killing a non-homosexual. No more, no less. Anything else would be an injustice. I hope that if the killer is tried as an adult, that the whole story behind the shooting is made public. I very much doubt that the shooting occurred just because the boy was gay, no matter how much gay activist groups and the liberal MSM would like for it to be so.

154 posted on 02/17/2008 4:56:26 PM PST by TChad
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To: TChad

I know of a young man (homosexual) in Colorado who was killed because he was gay. He was a student in Highschool...his name was Fred Martinez Jr.

His killer smashed his head in with a rock and left him to die in the weeds. Some of his story can be found here: http://www.fuah.org/fuah_cortez.html

I am a survivor of a violent crime...my attacker was given 85 years for what he did to me. This boy’s killer was given 40 years. I’m grateful for the long sentence my attacker got, and feel that this killer got off easy.

Sentences are getting too lenient.


155 posted on 02/17/2008 6:04:55 PM PST by trussell
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To: trussell
Sentences are getting too lenient.

Sentences should not be based on the sex or sexual orientation of the victims or perpetrators. They should be based on the crime committed.

156 posted on 02/17/2008 8:50:59 PM PST by TChad
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To: supremedoctrine

Thanks for the information, I didn’t know about the second part.


157 posted on 02/17/2008 10:21:40 PM PST by Dmitry Vukicevich (Pride always comes before the downfall (How'd the primaries treat you last night Hil?))
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To: TChad

100% agree with you on this!


158 posted on 02/17/2008 11:39:06 PM PST by trussell
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To: trussell
So very sorry to hear about your traumatic experience. I admire the strength and courage it took for you to survive, and applaud your voice of reason regarding this brutal crime.

Best,
Etixos

159 posted on 02/18/2008 9:27:38 AM PST by Etixos
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To: Etixos

Thank you. It’s been a long time, but it doesn’t seem to get any easier.


160 posted on 02/18/2008 10:02:21 AM PST by trussell
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