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Plan Would Sidestep Electoral College
Townhall.com ^ | February 10, 2008 | NGUYEN HUY VU

Posted on 02/10/2008 6:30:24 PM PST by neverdem

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To: Ouderkirk
Besides thee fact that they are wanting to ignore the voters' wishes, if they weren't suffering from delusions, they'd remember that the 2000 prediction was for Bush to have the popular vote, but Gore winning the electoral college.

Reality (ignoring voter fraud) was just the opposite.

41 posted on 02/10/2008 7:02:45 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: neverdem
Here's another populist scheme from the "progressives."

He's a very smart guy. But he's kind of an oddball. I believe he can't stand being touched by other people and has a 1,000 computer cluster in his home in Palo Alto.

42 posted on 02/10/2008 7:04:05 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: oldtimer
"Can we bring back literacy tests too?"

And property ownership, too ?

43 posted on 02/10/2008 7:04:58 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Calvin Locke
To all

The first nail in the coffin of the Republic was the 17th Admendment (Direct election of senators)
The second was a permanent income tax, the third & final will be the abolition of the electoral college.

44 posted on 02/10/2008 7:05:48 PM PST by Reily
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To: KarlInOhio
I would rather go in the opposite direction like Maine and Nebraska have with 1 EV / Congressional district and 2 at large for the state. That way one district's "creative" vote tally can only effect 3 EVs.

I would favor a Constitutional Amendment providing that 435 of the Electoral Votes would be awarded by Congressional district; the remaining states would have the option of deciding how they wanted to cast the remaining two.

Large states would probably aware the two bonus votes winner-take-all. A state with one congressional district might subdivide itself into three regions, such that each region effectively gets one Electoral Vote (if the overall winner also wins in all three regions, he'd get both bonus delegates; if he won two, he and his opponent would split the bonus delegates; if he only won in one region, his opponent would get both bonus delegates). Likewise, a state with two congressional districts could subdivide each district in half so there would be four regions with one EV each.

Such subdivisions would be entirely optional; the key point would be that a candidate who won a certain number of congressional districts in a state would be guaranteed to get at least that many Electoral Votes.

45 posted on 02/10/2008 7:06:06 PM PST by supercat
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BTW, the small-state subdivisions could get complicated in a multi-way race, since in that scenario it would be possible for a candidate to win the plurality of votes in the state without winning the plurality of votes in any third of it. That issue could be resolved by giving states some authority over how to cast even district EV’s in the event that no candidate gets the majority of votes in a district.


46 posted on 02/10/2008 7:08:51 PM PST by supercat
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To: petro45acp
“bread and circus”

The most annoying reference you will ever come across in political discussions. Is synonymous with: "I'm much smarter and deeper than others. I understand what really matters, while the masses only wish to be fed and entertained."

47 posted on 02/10/2008 7:13:38 PM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: neverdem
Election by the popular vote across the country will have the Democrats suing every election board evaluating hanging chads until the count goes their way.
48 posted on 02/10/2008 7:14:02 PM PST by ricks_place
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To: neverdem

Since were not using it anymore, can I have one of the original copies of the U.S. Costitution? I want to get one before they start shredding them to sell in pens-like they do with old currency.


49 posted on 02/10/2008 7:17:07 PM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: neverdem
"I think that the candidate who gets the most votes should win the office."

Like wow, man. That's really deep.

50 posted on 02/10/2008 7:17:15 PM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: neverdem

Ya know, I’ve seen two or three different iterations of this half-assed scheme, and not one of them yet passes Constitutional muster.

If you don’t like the Electoral College, then get thee busy drafting an Amendment to the Constitution that will pass in Both Houses of Congress and 2/3rds of the States.

It’s hard to do for good reasons...


51 posted on 02/10/2008 7:18:55 PM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts...)
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To: neverdem

bump for later


52 posted on 02/10/2008 7:20:17 PM PST by goldfinch
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To: neverdem

Math isn’t Koza’s strong point. Winning 51-49 isn’t winning by one percentage point, it’s winning by two. But you can win the state’s electoral votes with much less than one percent of the vote, as Mondale did when he carried Minnesota in 1984 by 4,000 votes out of 2 million cast, or Bush did in 2000 in Florida (officially a margin of 537 votes out of 6 million, but only after Democrat officials fraudulently narrowed the margin).


53 posted on 02/10/2008 7:22:35 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Bean Counter

Actually it would have to be ratified by 3/4 of the states.


54 posted on 02/10/2008 7:23:37 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: neverdem

Great. We’d still be recounting the 2000 election if we had to recount EVERY SINGLE FRICKIN’ BALLOT IN THE COUNTRY INCLUDING THE IGNORED ABSENTEE VOTES AND THE SMALLEST “IRREGULARITY”.


55 posted on 02/10/2008 7:25:49 PM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: neverdem

Not only would this be a bad idea, I would like to go back to the states electing senators, rather than a popular vote.


56 posted on 02/10/2008 7:26:46 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: neverdem

Are they willing to acknowledge that Bush CLEARLY won in 2004 and Gore only had a 0.51% margin of victory in the tallied vote in 2000’s “popular vote”? That is well within any margin of error in such a count.


57 posted on 02/10/2008 7:27:14 PM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: neverdem

Oh God. Not this again.


58 posted on 02/10/2008 7:27:20 PM PST by GVnana ("They're still analyzing the first guy. What do I have to worry about?" - GWB)
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To: neverdem

“Why not add up the votes of all 50 states and award the electoral votes to the 50-state winner?”

WHY even have an electoral college “vote” at all then?

And we have a constitutional amendment to prevent a third term co-presidency but it is being ignored. Bill has already said he’ll sit in on Cabinet meetings.


59 posted on 02/10/2008 7:29:37 PM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

3,000 military votes for Bush were approved by the Florida Supreme Court but Katherine Harris held to her original tally when she certified the count. Floriduh wasn’t as close as the Left claims.


60 posted on 02/10/2008 7:34:28 PM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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