Posted on 02/08/2008 3:57:52 AM PST by Man50D
Our experience as well, also noticed by our non-homeschooling acquaintances .
“Whereas, the Southern Baptist Council on Family Life
reported to the 2002 Annual Meeting of the Southern
Baptist Convention that 88 percent of the children
raised in evangelical homes leave church at the age of
18, never to return;””
First, I don’t believe it. Every other thing I’ve seen on this subject says that the vast majority who stop going to church return. How many years did the SBC group track individuals? Was this a scientifically conducted study or were they just guessing?
Second, you’ll note “raised in evangelical homes,” which is only a small percentage of Christians. If true, what are evangelicals doing to drive their children away in such numbers? If 88 percent are indeed leaving, how come evangelical numbers have risen in recent years and why do the vast majority of Americans still believe in God? And by leaving the church, do they mean they leave the evangelical church but maybe to go to another? My own wife was raised in what might be considered an evangelical church and she left because she was tired of being told exactly what she had to believe. But she went to a non-evangelical Baptist church.
Informally, but not formally. And who cares about certification anyway? Colleges prefer the average uncredentialed homeschooler over the average gov't school prisoner, if you're into the college thing.
On another note, re-read your question. "Are parents allowed to form group schools?" How did we come to this, when the burden of proof is on parents to prove their worthiness to educate their own children? (I argue that this idea is instilled in us in our years in gov't school). Not only do parents enjoy the God-given RIGHT to educate their children, but it is their primary DUTY as parents. I don't mean to come across harshly, but I am very passionate about this, because my head was once in the same place. Today, if someone tried to take my kids away from me, well, God help them.
Screaming? Really? Huh? Do you mean muttering about it the teacher’s break room?
Who are the so-called “good” teachers who elected their representatives and leaders to the NEA. Evidently “goodness” must not be the majority, for if it were, the NEA would be an entirely different organization! The NEA didn’t get the way it is, or where it is, by accident. We are to heap praise on teachers ( the ONLY people responsible for the NEA) for promoting and lobbying for this sexual barbarity in California?
Also,,,if “good” ( Christian and non-Christian) teachers had organized themselves ( in California and elsewhere) to march on Sacramento, carrying placards, and lobbying their legislators, it would have made the conservative press. I can only conlude, that the same California teachers who write checks to the NEA chose **not** to organize, protest, march on Sacramento, or lobby their representatives. I guess they were busy mumbling under their breath in the teacher’s break room.
And,,,guess what?
So-called “good” teachers ( Christian and non-Christian) will continue whine about it at home, and (maybe) whisper a little in the teacher’s break room, BUT, they will cheerfully open the doors every morning, welcome the students, and **fully implement** an atheistic, barbaric, anti-Western Civilization curriculum that promotes a dangerous sexual lifestyle.
I conclude that the **minority** of government teachers who happen to be “good” ( Christian and non-Christian) have not organized is because they **do** NOT*** want** to**!
Those teachers who think of themselves as “good” **choose** to cooperate with evil!
If you want to play Russian roulette with your kids’ souls. Hey! Go for it!
Any remember the people who come back to church almost **always** return with very unhappy temporal and spiritual consequences:
fatherless kids, STDs, abortions, broken hearts, “walks of shame”, one night stands, broken marriage, divorces, child support payments, welfare checks, addictions, unnecessary depression, disappointments in false friendships, delinquencies, crime..etc.
That’s Egypt
Figures are funny things - one can do anything with them they want. Do I believe that Dr. Shortt made this claim? Yes. Do I think he massaged the data to have it meet what he believes? Yes. Is he lying? I don't know. It depends on how massaged the data is and how much he believes he twisted it. Not my call. He can answer for his actions just like I can.
Anyone making this claim, including Dr. Shortt, has to know at best these figures are shaky, especially since Dr. Shortt did not release any of the specifics of any of the 'numerous studies.'
Trust, but verify
To your last point - a 100% tax revolt - that’s how we can get the laws ultimately changed to have the money follow the child. If enough children are pulled out of govt. schools, then the schools don’t get their money from the the govt. and then there will be some action.
What happened in Utah? I know they wanted out of NCLB and were willing to give up any Federal money to do it.
Only California??
Please, I urge you, pull your children out of the public schools.
Do what you have to do, but get them out of there.
Or,,have you already done that and still not included my name on the list?
Just curious.
I think we should encourage more moral degradation of government schools. The faster the decay, the faster they die out entirely. Let them put a bill out making porn required viewing for gradeschoolers. Let them pass a requirement for sexual homework. Let them put the Koran into the required curriculum standards. Let them make it easy for kids to imprison their parents by talking to a school nurse. Let them implement zero-tolerance for anything and everything and drag the parents into court for violation.
Then let’s see how quickly the government schools die.
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This is an excellent reason for the so-called “good” teachers ( Christian and non-Christian ) to do one of two things:
1) Flagrantly resist, refuse to cooperate, close the doors on, lobby, (and even great arrested) for protesting against the atheistic, dangerous, anti-Western Civilization agenda of the government schools. ( In other words, get very visibly fired)
2) Quit!
Anything less than this is setting a very bad example for the students regarding the meaning of “good” ( either Christian or non-Christian).
Example is the best teacher ( possibly the **only** teacher).
If so-called “good” teachers are being weak, hypocritical, lukewarm, timid, and sly about sneaking in a few grains of salt and glimmers of light. They that is what their example is teaching about being “good” ( Christian and non-Christian).
The next time you meet a teacher, ask yourself is that teacher really a “good” teacher? Or,,,Is that teacher really enabling evil. Specifically, what is that government teacher doing to stop it, and, if anything, why haven’t they been fired yet?
Utah.
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2) Tax revolt:
Please read my post# 121.
We could have a completely **private** system of school funding in this nation. We could get government **completely** OUT of the education business. We really could SHUT DOWN every government school in this nation!
Conservatives are that wealthy. We could do this if we wanted. All it would take is for the idea to catch on and for a leader to make it happen.
Again: Please read my post #121.
If you agree, copy and paste it, and send to it to everyone you know. I really do believe my tag line: Good ideas win! Why? Because people ( conservatives, in this case) are not stupid! )
2) Utah:
This state’s legislature in winter of 2007 passed a universal voucher bill available to all the children in the state. It is nearly **impossible** to get enough signatures for a referendum in Utah, but the teachers’ unions pulled the impossible off.
( By the way, these are the **same** teachers who claim to be completely politically powerless when it comes to effective reading, math, and history curriculum and discipline measures, etc. It’s always the parents’ fault or the school board’s fault, etc.)
In November, the teachers and all their friends and millions of dollars, ( with the help of suburbanite and rural Mormons in predominantly Mormon counties, who already have “religious” schools in the form of government schools) defeated the vouchers by over 60%.
It is always a bad idea to go head to head with the teachers unions. It is much better to nibble around the edges.
Are you insane??????? What are you talking about? "free baby sitting" and products at no charge????????
You anti-public school proponents are as bad as the anti-smoker fanatics and cultists I deal with on a regular basis - only your way is the "right" way.
Guess what? You're wrong.
The "BEST" is always going to be a subjective position, as will the "WORST" whether you like it or not. There is NO SUCH THING as a perfect educational atmosphere. Yes, some are better than others, but there can be no "perfect" as that is also a subjective position.
I have never faulted those who homeschool as I believe it is a great thing, but just not for everyone. Wintertime, on the other hand, consistently condemns anyone who would choose public school for their children and those that choose to teach in those schools.
Wintertime consistently uses a broad brush to condemn any and all parents who utilize the school systems they pay for and those who work within them. wintertime is well within her rights to dislike such a system, but her condemnation and outright blatant attacks on those who disagree with her have totally gotten out of control. And frankly, I'm sick and tired of them.
California is the smirking bully in the government school yard.
All the curriculum and book publishers that distribute books to all the government madrassas throughout the nation will scurry to print what ever perversity the California bully demands.
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You are absolutely right! I didn’t catch that. It must be the result of my indoctrination.
How did we get to the point that we think we must ask permission from the government to educate our children?
Please read my post #121.
It is possible to have a completely private and **universal** system of K-12 education in the U.S. (possibly even the world) We are wealthy enough as a nation, and as conservatives, to do it.
All it takes is an idea and a few men and women of good will with leadership ability to make it happen.
I really do believe my tag line: Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid?
By the way, SB777 is a really stupid idea! SB777 just might be stupid enough to end all government education in the U.S., and that will **not** be my fault!
... Why was I pinged to this?
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