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Mona Charen: Why They Can't Vote for McCain
Townhall ^ | 2/08/08 | Mona Charen

Posted on 02/08/2008 2:46:25 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

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To: joesbucks

What part of “Congress shall make...” do you not understand?

Or have you had enough people remind you of the difference between government and private entities?


141 posted on 02/08/2008 4:56:21 PM PST by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican.)
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To: Eagle Eye
Oh, I understand.

My point was currency has no speech rights.

About as much right as you have using a private enterprise such as talk radio to call in your views. If they want them, they will put you on. If not, they will not allow you to go on the air.

And isn't interesting the cries of censorship when one of our favorites gets canned.

McCain Feingold was campaign finance reform. Money. Besides, didn't President Bush allow it to become law? There wasn't much flack for his complicity. And wasn't it upheld by the Supreme Court?

Seems the Swift Boaters got their message out pretty effectively against Kerry. Seems Moveon.org did pretty well against President Bush.

And no one has denied you from speaking your thoughts. You can still go anywhere you like and say whatever your message is.

142 posted on 02/08/2008 5:34:23 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: DustyMoment
All of their records suck, but there isn't a dime's worth of difference between the three of them.

Don't take my word for it. This is from the National Journal:

"Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings. The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate."

"Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., the other front-runner in the Democratic presidential race, also shifted to the left last year. She ranked as the 16th-most-liberal senator in the 2007 ratings, a computer-assisted analysis that used 99 key Senate votes, selected by NJ reporters and editors, to place every senator on a liberal-to-conservative scale in each of three issue categories. In 2006, Clinton was the 32nd-most-liberal senator."

143 posted on 02/08/2008 5:41:39 PM PST by zipper
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To: joesbucks
Your comment was this:

For that matter, talk radio squelches free speech on a daily basis with screeners and the hosts ability to unplug the caller and yet continue as if the caller was able to respond.

There is no right to free speech on talk radio.

144 posted on 02/08/2008 5:55:21 PM PST by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican.)
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To: zipper
The point I get from this article is, some of the things he does are perplexing, aggravating, even infuriating... until you compare him to the opposition!

That's pretty much the way I feel. No matter how many times I have disagreed with him, he is infinitely superior to either of the democrats who will be fielded against him. I will vote for him. The prospect of a Clinton or an Obama as the Commander in Chief makes my skin crawl. McCain will be a good Commander in Chief as we continue the war on islamic terrorists who seek to destroy us. If we don't prevail and destroy their ability to harm us, the rest doesn't matter.

145 posted on 02/08/2008 6:07:36 PM PST by Octar
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To: zipper

principle: a fundamental doctrine or tenet.

You deride your “suicide voters”, but this voter stands on principle when I say that McCain was unacceptably liberal eight years ago, and he is further left now.

One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over in the vain hope the outcome will be different.


146 posted on 02/08/2008 6:25:06 PM PST by MortMan (Conservatives: If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything.)
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To: zipper

One cannot compromise one’s principles and still consider them principles.

Mine are not for sale.


147 posted on 02/08/2008 6:27:34 PM PST by MortMan (Conservatives: If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything.)
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To: zipper

Open Borders? Did you witness McCain the last 8 and more years? Look it up.

You may choose to neglect your history, FRiend. I do not.


148 posted on 02/08/2008 6:35:25 PM PST by MortMan (Conservatives: If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything.)
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To: zipper
Then don't complain when the other party's socialist gets elected. Don't complain when your tax rate goes up 10 to 15 percent to pay for "single-payer health care" (universal health care), the AMT revenue replacement, the revenue losses represented by the Bush tax cuts of 2001 & 2003 Don't complain when we declare the war against the Islamofascists to be over, we draw down the military in favor of a "peace dividend", then invite the terrorists to "negotiate" with us by offering concessions. Don't complain when the government says homeschooling is no longer an option. Don't complain when your income is redistributed to someone who doesn't want to work, because, after all, you are "more fortunate", as though you somehow woke up one day, having won the lottery to secure the successful career you now enjoy. Don't complain when your guns are declared to be a hazard to public safety, and are taken from you. Don't complain when a tax is levied on you based on your perceived "carbon footprint" and a United Nations directive. Don't complain when your 12-year old daughter is found to have had an abortion without your knowledge, all kept secret from you because your school counselor says it would violate your daughter's privacy. Don't complain when your Boy Scout troop is dissolved because they're out of money after being sued by the government based on their discrimination against homosexuals. Don't complain when the Iranians pursue an ever-increasing game of brinkmanship with our forces in the mideast, calling our bluff to establish themselves as the mideast's regional power broker. Don't be surprised when the Chinese take Taiwan with scarcely an outcry from the US government, which won't be in a position to do anything about it. Don't be surprised when your favorite talk radio programs are gone, because the President refused to veto a new version of the "Fairness Doctrine". Don't be surprised when our economy is required to shrink by the United Nations, after we sign an agreement to reduce our "carbon footprint" even though "developing nations" China and India will not face these restrictions. Don't be surprised when a nuclear weapon explodes in Boston Harbor, in a plot not discovered by our NSA, CIA, or FBI because the Patriot Act was rescinded and travel restrictions on terrorists were lifted. I could go on, but I'd rather that you and others of your persuasion would just grow up and realize what's at stake in this presidential election.

Your comments bear repeating.

Thank you.

149 posted on 02/08/2008 6:37:54 PM PST by Octar
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To: MortMan

McCain’s principles are more in line with conservative thought than either of the likely Democrat nominees, by a long shot.

The time to fret about the principles of one Republican over another is beyond us. That was what the primary was for. We are beyond the primary — the Republican choice will be McCain.

I’m not completely happy with that, but then when the alternative is considered, the choice is obvious.

Committing suicide is not a demostration of principle, it’s a demonstration of lunacy.


150 posted on 02/08/2008 7:02:22 PM PST by zipper
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To: MortMan
Don't just smugly tell me to "look it up". That's not persuasive.

This is persuasive:

On the issue of illegal immigration, a position which provoked the outspoken opposition of many conservatives, I stood my ground aware that my position would imperil my campaign. I respect your opposition for I know that the vast majority of critics to the bill based their opposition in a principled defense of the rule of law. And while I and other Republican supporters of the bill were genuine in our intention to restore control of our borders, we failed, for various and understandable reasons, to convince Americans that we were. I accept that, and have pledged that it would be among my highest priorities to secure our borders first, and only after we achieved widespread consensus that our borders are secure, would we address other aspects of the problem in a way that defends the ru le of law and does not encourage another wave of illegal immigration.

151 posted on 02/08/2008 7:07:58 PM PST by zipper
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To: mkjessup

Brilliant.


152 posted on 02/08/2008 11:14:36 PM PST by NucSubs (Rudy Giuliani 2008! Our liberal democrat is better than theirs!)
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To: zipper
Don't just smugly tell me to "look it up". That's not persuasive.

I was echoing your own words, FRiend. But you are correct - they are not persuasive.

Neither are McCain's words, which do not match his actions in so many cases. I'm glad you are satisfied with his words. I cannot disregard his actions.

153 posted on 02/09/2008 3:02:43 PM PST by MortMan (Conservatives: If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything.)
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To: zipper

Again, ALL of their records suck, but there isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between them. If you’re a McCain guy, go vote for him. But there is nothing on God’s green earth that will ever make me change my mind about him and vote for him.

The only hope we have for the salvation of this Republic is via the Congress and I will put all of my efforts and my vote toward re-taking the Congress with principled conservatives - NOT RINOs and socialists who tell me what I want to hear. Too many RINOs have done that and betrayed us when they got in office. NO MORE!!

Also, food for thought - McCain is 72 years-old and, if elected, will be 73 when he takes office. If he manages to get elected and complete his first and only term in office, he will be 77. There’s no chance he will be re-elected.

McCain’s past 10 years have been based on sticking his finger in conservative’s eyes and he’s about to discover that payback’s a b!tch!! Having an “R” behond his name doesn’t make him a conservative - “R” also stands for “RINO” and “Rejects conservative values”.


154 posted on 02/10/2008 9:27:47 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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