Now is the Winter of Our Conservative Discontent

American Thinker ^ | February 07, 2008 | Thomas Lifson

[Travis McGee]

"Treacherous liar" is exactly on target.

This is the traitor John McCain chose to be his "Hispanic Outreach Director." Hernandez is a verified traitor; born in Dallas he decided as an adult to become a dual-national Mexican citizen. His last job was serving as Mexican President Vicente Fox's "American Reconquista Director."

Hernandez believes all Mexicans and Mexican-Americans in the USA should become dual citizens and consider themselves Mexicans first, "to the 8th generation."

The "New American Pioneers" proclaimed in his book are the illegal alien invaders he urges to become settlers in the USA.

And this is the man McCain chose for his "Hispanic Outreach Director." In the past week he was asked about this choice, and he said he chose Hernandez because he agrees with his positions.

Yet out of the other side of his mouth he says "He has heard us" and he will "Secure the border first."

Juan Shamnesty McCain is precisely a treacherous liar.

[MNJohnnie]

Yes, that’s good advice. Ignore the rapid dogs.

That is stupid advice. Simply ignoring the legitimate concerns of your political base, all the while screaming hysteric insults at them is not going to win your candidate any votes.

You McCainics don't seem to realize you are your candidate's worse enemy. Your hyper emotional, bile filled posts spammed at everyone who questions McCain HURTS him with voters he needs to win. You conduct here reflects directly on your canidate. So far all you have done is scream insults at people asking legitimate questions. That not helping your canidate at all.

[TADSLOS]

No.

[MNJohnnie]

Do you actually work for Hillary's campaign? Because your conduct here is alientating everyone while convincing no one to support McCain.

A Hillary campaign worker could not be more effective at discrediting McCain in Conservatives eyes the you have been with your posts

[AmericaUnited]

Oh would you just shut the hell up! You spam everyone with ridiculous accusations and then have the unmitgigated gall to say that my conduct is alienating people. You truly are kook-koo.

[AmericaUnited]

I just pointed out 2 perfect examples of you doing the very thing you accuse others of ( “hyper, screaming, emotional, ranting, blah, blah blah...”) and yet it blew right over your head. Get help now!

[AmericaUnited]

"You McCainics", "your canidate", "your candidate's", "he's your god"

I'm still waiting for you to post JUST ONE POST where I ever supported McCain over another GOP candidate. JUST ONE, BIG MOUTH.

[calex59]

The man I vote for has to agree with MOST of the things I believe in. McCain doesn’t. Asking if a candidate has to agree with the voter is one of the dumbest things I have ever been asked. The answer is yes, most of the things I believe in the candidate I vote for must believe in. McCain is no conservative and on the most important issues to me he is totally opposite. He is just another Hilery in republican clothing. McCain-Feingold, the border issue, firearms, and on and on, McCain doesn’t stand by conservative beliefs. Not only that he tells us to shut up and calm down as if we were children and not to be listened to and taken into consideration. I, for one, will not vote for him. If you wish to compromise and vote for dem lite that is your business, don’t try to make it mine.

[MNJohnnie]

Thank you for proving my point. Instead of getting shriller and more hysteric, you might want to calm down and listen to what I am saying.

Screaming insults at the Conservatives and demanding their support as your due after McCain spent the last decade being the Obstructer in Chief to the Conservative agenda is NOT going to win him any votes. If anything, it is going to solidify opposition to McCain.

Instead of screaming insults, you should be trying to answer the very legitimate questions Conservatives here have on McCain. After all, you need their votes, they do not have to support your candidate.

A Hillary campaign worker could not be as effective in sabotaging McCain’s campaign here as you have been.

[AmericaUnited]

You really do have a screw loose..

Now, where on earth is the single post I've asked for about 10X now, proving your pathetic accusations that I am some McCain worshipper? WERE IS IT? EITHER PRODUCE THE POST OR SHUT THE HELL UP!

[Condor 63]

It will be beautiful to see the crestfallen self-appointed self-righteous strident "conservatives" realizing that no, they are not the Annointed, and anyone else's votes are just as good as theirs.

If anyone is "self-righteous" here it appears to be you. Never once did I say or have I said that anyone else doesn't have the right to vote for whomever they want - including Obama or Clinton. Never once did I say my vote is more important than anyone else's. I do however have the right to say I won't be voting for McCain, why and as much as I want. I did imply that I intend my vote to actually count for something, which I do.

I did make it plain what I felt a vote for McCain ultimately results in. You are welcome to try and convince me I am wrong based on McCain's actual voting record.

If McCain gets in fine. He just won't be doing it with my vote. He won't be the first President and he won't be the last.

I will however have the satisfaction of knowing I didn't vote for the man 2-3 years down the line when everyone on here is in an uproar over his latest immigration travesty. That of course assumes the extremely unlikely proposition that a 25% conservative like him can actually get elected.

[MNJohnnie]

If you really want to be an effective campaigner. Quit trying to brow beat people into supporting McCain. Quit singing the praises of McCain in the most slavish obsequious fashion. People here know McCains record, they are not going to be convinced. You are not going to change anyone’s mind, they have to do that.

The best tool you have to do that is what the Democrat candidates are saying. I have no doubt most Conservatives will be scared into supporting McCain by the Democrats. Simply saying “Well their worse” isn’t going to work.

What I suggest is you simply post what the Democrats Candidates are saying on what ever issues the person angry at McCain is posting about.

If they are mad about taxes, post what Obama and Hillary plans are on taxes. Mad on immigration post their immigration plan.

The Democrats themselves are your best chance of changing peoples minds about McCain.

Frankly I personally think it is a waste of time. I think McCain’s record has so poisoned the well that you are wasting your time. However, if you are going to insist on spaming the board with McCainiac campaign ads, at least be an effective, rather then an obnoxious, campaigner.

[Tolik]

I’m arguing our national survival, and you’re trying to play politics.

Raven, politics is a game of power. That one who wins, wields the power. If you are powerless, all your ideas about national survival, regardless of how right you are, bring you nothing. To get the power, you need to get elected or elect likeminded people. Conservatives lost this time around. Now what? In some other countries it would be a military coup or another bloody revolution. That's not an American way. We need to win the next elections - congress, senate, state, local - build conservative base, attract people to conservative ideas, promote conservative leaders - all this boring stuff.

I detest the current way of ever earlier primaries and hysteria around them. People like Thompson or Hunter (my first choices), who would make a good President, are ill-suited to this type of game. Even Romney, my next choice, hit the wall before I get to vote. McCain, on another hand, somehow pulled himself from near collapse to win on the strength of his character. You don't like this game (I don't), fine. But you are not going to change the rules until you win, take over RNC, etc - have the real power.

Jason was trying to discuss it how it is, not how you, he or I would wish it to be. Reality versus fantasy.  I would prefer to vote for a real conservative with ACU rating in 90+. McCain's rating in the last years is only 60-something - not much of a conservative lately and a lousy Republican party member. But Obama and Hillary have a single digit ACU rating - 9 and 8. I take a bad 60 over a worse 9 regardless of how I hate the fact of making such a choice.

Bottom-line: We need to build a strong conservative faction within Republican party. Otherwise we will be as relevant as libertarians, or Naderites (those who attacked Gore from the Left and helped Bush to get elected. Its funny, because from the point where I am standing, there is not that much difference between Nader and Gore).

[PurpleMan]

“Anger now has now become a familiar conservative motif, as well.”

Is it heard here first?

“McCain Derangement Syndrome”

[RavenATB]

“You McCainics don’t seem to realize you are your candidate’s worse enemy. “

Why did you post that to me? If you think I support John McCain you didn’t get that from any of my posts.

[mtntop3]

I do not define as conservatives any claimants who are so lacking DNA for survival in a hugely dangerous world that they must self-immolate and deliberately hand-over the survival of themselves, their family, their nation, and the free world to Clinton and/or Obama - who we know will be held in contempt by those intent on killing us, and who bring about nothing but defeat for this great nation and, yes, violent death of thousands if not millions of us.

I find amazing the comments on this site completely removed from this reality. The end result of these self-pitying comments is nothing but giving the Democrats the power and opportunity to render impotent our nation’s defense and render meaningless all our armed forces have accomplished.

This is worse than disgraceful and dishonorable - it is traitorous.

[RavenATB]

“You McCainics don’t seem to realize you are your candidate’s worse enemy. “

Why did you post that to me? If you think I support John McCain you didn’t get that from any of my posts.

[RavenATB]

“You McCainics don’t seem to realize you are your candidate’s worse enemy. “

Why did you post that to me? If you think I support John McCain you didn’t get that from any of my posts.

[Types_with_Fist]

No, it is called having the courage of your convictions.

I agree with you. The reason we are in this predicament is because many have compromised their beliefs for the sake of winning at all costs. "The courage of our convictions" has, sadly, been a tough sell here at this forum. We've now compromised ourselves to the point there is no conservative choice except via third-party.

[windsorknot]

McCain Derangement Syndrome

That would be my diagnosis of Senator McCain.