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1 posted on 02/06/2008 8:42:24 AM PST by Stoat
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Don’t want to upset little Billy’s self esteem now, do we?


2 posted on 02/06/2008 8:43:22 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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I hope they don’t abandon comments regarding sellers.


3 posted on 02/06/2008 8:43:36 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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Whaaat? This is ridiculous.


4 posted on 02/06/2008 8:43:48 AM PST by forkinsocket
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Huh. I just bought a house off Craigs List.

I am pretty sure the seller didn’t pay them %7.5


7 posted on 02/06/2008 8:50:28 AM PST by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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.... an increasing practice where sellers who had received a bad rating would retaliate by posting a poor rating on the buyer.

BS!

I have a rating of about 300 with 1 negative. It was retaliation from negative FB left for a no-pay buyer with a -1 rating on a $2.50 item.

10 posted on 02/06/2008 8:52:33 AM PST by OSHA (The Procrastinators Club is full of poseurs and frauds. Think about it.)
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I'm an occasional Ebay seller and buyer. I've had a few times where buyers who won the auction never completed the purchase. I never send the item until paid, but it's annoying having to chase them down and then to apply to Ebay for a refund of the listing fees. I left negative feedback for those bidders.

I also had an occasion where someone claimed I didn't represent the item properly (I did) and demanded money back plus all shipping fees even though I had a No Returns policy on the item as it was not an expensive item. I fulfilled that request at cost to me, but didn't leave negative feedback. Instead I just blocked the person from bidding on any of my items in the future.

By and large, I've been very satisfied with the Ebay transactions I've made.

11 posted on 02/06/2008 8:53:07 AM PST by randita (Do not trust any polls!)
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Wow, I have an e-bay business and the level of buyer fraud is incredible. We had to start using delivery confirmation on everything because some buyers would use Paypal, claim the item never arrived and e-bay would return the money no matter how many times the buyer had pulled this stunt. The fact that a buyer did not want to buy insurance did not matter at all. Been looking at Amazon too!


12 posted on 02/06/2008 8:53:55 AM PST by MtnClimber ("Bullfighting, Mountain Climbing and Auto-Racing are the only real sports. Everything else are merel)
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eBay moves closer to subsidiary PayPal in the SUCK department.


15 posted on 02/06/2008 8:57:15 AM PST by South40 (Amnesty is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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In an increasingly dishonest world, Ebay buyers are also using sellers to replace broken possessions virtually for free buy “purchasing” a set of items, and then claiming one piece arrived broken(the one they want to replace), and then expect a refund after returning the broken one. Good luck Ebay, the criminals have figured out how to use your sellers, too. For this reason, I know of several users who have canceled seller accounts.
16 posted on 02/06/2008 8:57:16 AM PST by Melinda
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Frequent gripes include a seller over-charging for postage, a purchased item delivered late or one party being generally dishonest.

What's fair postage anyway? Is it the actual shipping charge, or is it ok to add few dollars for your own handling (box, envelope, driving to PO)? I always try to charge as close to actual shipping as possible. However, I recently purchased a couple shirts where the guy charged me $12 while the actual shipping charge was $4.90.

18 posted on 02/06/2008 9:01:02 AM PST by JZelle
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E-bay should figure out how to track late payments directly, and do their own “rating” for the buyers that way. Buyers should not be rated subjectively.


22 posted on 02/06/2008 9:07:50 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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A better system would to be to prevent any feedback for a given transaction from being publicly posted until both buyer and seller have left feedback. Eliminates the retaliation phenomenon, while keeping information about both buyers and sellers available to prospective buyers and sellers.


23 posted on 02/06/2008 9:08:24 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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I think this is a decent idea. As a buyer, I was once HIGHLY unsatisfied with my purchase, and wrote so. The seller responded by writing a highly negative review of me, then immediately offered to retract it if I would do likewise... in other words, their ability to leave negative comments was used as blackmail. The sellers have FAR less risk on eBay, since they do not release the goods until the money has cleared. As such, they should not also have the ability to abuse the comments feature simply to retain falsely high ratings. Buyers risk getting shafted by inaccurate photos and descriptions, poor shipping, late shipping, etc. The comments feature is really the only tool that they have, and giving sellers equal power there is unnecessary.


26 posted on 02/06/2008 9:10:11 AM PST by Teacher317 (Eta kuram na smekh)
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Ebay is competing against Amazon. Amazon sellers don’t leave feedback for buyers. Amazon is safer for buyers.

As a buyer, I’m happy with this new change. Now, I can honestly rate the seller without retaliatory feedback.

Sellers are FINALLY going to have to give good customer service, not over charge on shipping, and actually give good descriptions.

The big thing for sellers is this:

When will PayPal release the eBay item hold?

PayPal will release the hold when the earliest of the following occurs:

* the buyer leaves positive feedback, * 3 days after confirmed item delivery* or * 21 days without a dispute, claim, chargeback, or reversal filed on that transaction.

* This applies to US domestic transactions that are shipped by USPS or FedEx and either (i) use PayPal shipping labels to ship items or (ii) upload tracking information to PayPal via the transaction details page.

28 posted on 02/06/2008 9:11:29 AM PST by Danette ("If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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This move is crap. I sell on eBay and I expect to be able to leave bad feedback if I don’t get paid. Now buyers can ding me and I have no recourse. That is stupid.

Do retalitory feedback happen? Yes it does and sometimes it is warrented. If you buy from me and I delver and did nothing wrong, then leave me negative feedback. Why shouldn’t I dod the same.

There’s a lot of little turds that get off on leaving negative feedback for no reason. Also newbies are particularly bad about negative feedback for no reason.

I almost always leave feedback now for buyers immediatly after they pay, except for those with 20 or less feedback. They are the ones who would try to scam me the most. Now I can’t even protect myself that way either.

Ebay has been getting more and more expensive for sellers and less useful. I will probably wrap up my selling by June and just quit for a while.


45 posted on 02/06/2008 9:46:59 AM PST by packrat35 (Politicians would be less worthless if they were edible, or usable for packing wheel bearings.)
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So now if the buyer cheats you, you have no recourse. (Of course, you could leave “positve” feedback with negative comments as the substance, right?)

Must be a self-esteem, PC thing. Can’t have buyers feeling bad. They might buy elsewhere and eBay might lose its commission — so we’ll be nice to them, whether they screw you or not.


52 posted on 02/06/2008 10:13:50 AM PST by TBP
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I had a moron with just 2 prior sales (a newbie) complain that a package he received from me was missing pieces and broke and finally ended his complaint with “etc.” as another complaint.

The package was insured and I told him to make a claim with USPS and explain to me how I’m supposed to handle and rectify a complaint of “etc?”

He wouldn’t file the claim with USPS because he said the outside of the box wasn’t damaged. When I told him that was irrelevant, that the inside contents could still have been damaged by rough handling and he should make the freaking claim with USPS, he turned around and instead gave me a negative rating. Buttressed between his negative were all kinds of accolades by others for my “quick service,” “well-packed item,” and “timely mailing.”

All this for a $15 item.

You always wind up with a drama queen who won’t follow eBay procedures.

54 posted on 02/06/2008 10:16:13 AM PST by toddlintown (Building More Highways For Children---Huckleberry Talking Point)
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About 20% of my Ebay customers are late payers or dead beats. A seller can still file a NPB against the buyer. Buyers will now be getting positive negatives. How is a seller to know if a buyer is a non-payer? This move by Ebay is down right stupid. I’m selling up to May and then I’m done with Ebay. A seller will be at the buyers mercy and a lot of buyers WILL take advantage of the new feedback system.
60 posted on 02/06/2008 10:24:54 AM PST by 4yearlurker (We are the vehicles and God is the driver.)
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So I’ll leave “Postitive feedback”: You suck. I wish I could still give Negative Feedback!!!!!!! F- F- F- F-


62 posted on 02/06/2008 10:29:10 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of Dems . . .)
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The only time I was hit with negative feedback, was when I was a buyer, and I gave a seller neutral feedback, because I felt that the cost of the shipping and handling was too high (roughly $5) relative to the long length of time (nearly a month) that it took to ship the item (one CD).

The seller retaliated by hitting me with negative feedback. Their biggest complaint was that I e-mailed them a few times during that long month, trying to follow up to see if I would ever get the item.

If the new rules have anything to do with someone else in my situation no longer experiencing what I experienced, then I support it wholeheartedly.


66 posted on 02/06/2008 10:36:33 AM PST by BaBaStooey (I heart Emma Caulfield.)
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