Posted on 02/04/2008 7:36:26 AM PST by VRing
In WA State, they are trying to institute suspicionless searches.
If you refuse to submit to a breatalyzer, or furnish your ‘papers’, is that now ‘resisting’?
Sounds like it to me? So what’s in store for you at that point? Taser? Holding cells?
It also looks like we have finally really arrived at the ‘One Party State’ here in the United States.
Pretty amazing, really.
Number 4 was answered in the video, but what I find interesting is that you really are no different than the rest of us on this thread, you’re just as skeptical as we are, just for the other team.
I take no issue with that. We’re all flying a bit blind on this one. Male cops stripping a cuffed female prisoner, though, is a bit challenging to justify, regardless of the reason. JMO.
One of the reasons we don’t have the early “context” is that the deputies who went to the scene either didn’t turn on their car cam or the department is hiding the tape. Both are further violations of policy.
The rest of us humans don't get a free pass when our screwups kill, injure, or otherwise harm somebody. We have to pay for our screwups.
The context, of course, would be that she was potentially suicidal. You don't want to leave her with anything with which to hang herself.
Leaving her in there naked is bad. Leaving her without a blanket is standard: you can hang yourself pretty easily using a blanket.
Using male deputies ... sounds like she may have been thrashing pretty good, and they needed some brute strength to hold her still. That the male deputies stayed behind and ogled her ... bad, if that's what they were doing.
The part that really raises the red flags for me is the very delicate manner in which the circumstances of her arrest are bypassed. I'll bet you dollars to donuts that the lawyer is leaving all of those details out because they make her case a lot less sympathetic.
Damned by anecdotal evidence once more. Let’s employ the exception as the rule and disband all police entities everywhere. Question for you, Ill, old sport. If a Dunkin Donut induced anaphylactic shock in Mrs. Steffey, should all Dunkin Donuts everywhere be boarded up? Ah, Libertarians, ya gotta love ‘em!
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I’m admit ignorance on the department policy of a strip search (presence of males). Are there any circumstances where male officers would be allowed to participate in such activity?
I can understand some posters problem with the males being present. But when you are being strip searched by the police against your will (and possibly your rights), does the sex of the officers really matter?
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Perhaps not. But what it does is to demonstrate, in living color, a clear violation a department policy.
And yes, libertarian justice would be a lot more ethical than such a forcible violation as the one evidenced in these videos.
There is no excuse for this. None.
Please see post 90.
agreed.
No joke. There is no excuse for the LEO to act like they did.
I'm skeptical "for the other team" for the simple reason that experience has taught me never to trust stories like this one, where the only "facts" are those fed to us by the plaintiff's lawyer, by means of a sympathetic reporter.
Experience has shown that one seldom goes wrong by betting that the real facts don't support the claims made by the plaintiff's lawyer.
I used to be a police officer years ago (in Central Virginia). Frankly, I am disgusted by what I saw on that film. I have seen a change in the people attracted to police work over the years and to honest I am very leery of most police nowadays (and yes, there are certainly exceptions).
If we had done something like this back in the early 80’s we would have been fired in short order, no excuses. I guess this is the road we have gone down though with the ‘militarization’ of police departments. It produces a different mentality and attracts a different type of person than it did years ago.
I am usually alwasy backing the cops, but not on this one. I think that they should pay her millions, and possibly charge each and everyone of those cops with felony sexual assualt. Needless to say, they should be fired and have their pensions confiscated. I think its that serious.
And by that standard, Rodney King was a victim of police brutality. Period!
... er, except that in the King case, there was a good reason why the cops acted as they did.
There's more to the story. You should wait for the facts before getting all CNN-ish on us....
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