Posted on 02/02/2008 7:04:02 PM PST by Dog Gone
According to scientist there is more water in the earth than on it. According to scientists who have researched the idea of that water getting out, how it would get out and what sorts of evidence it would leave having gotten out, it may well of happened just that way; the scars are there in the earth. But since sneering seems to be mode one for you I doubt thay any of this means anything to you. Hell you’re blissfully unaware of any of it to begin with. (It’s been bandied about in print, online and on Discovery and other cable outlets for better than ten years now).
Source?
Which scientist thinks that? I certainly never heard any of that when I was taking geology in college.
This has been discussed on FR as little as a few months ago. (The subject comes and goes constantly, the FR for and against is pretty spirited, do a simple search)The more in it than on it line comes from one of those articles posted.
Geology is a Science, as such it evolves with time as more is learned.
In the matter of the Biblical flood one must first understand what is actually said in the Bible and then try to piece together a possible scenario. In ancient times this wasn’t a problem: God. Magic. There. Done. But as mankind uncovered and uncovers more of “God’s august secrets” the logical understanding is that any God who was real would not NEED to use magic as He would be in control of the forces that act upon or within His own creation.
There are two sources of water according to the Biblical account “The fountains of the great deep” a term which is used only once in the Bible and “The windows of Heaven” Lets call the ‘windows of heaven’ “rain” or all atmospheric water. Atmospheric water doesn’t even REMOTELY involve enough water to flood the earth for at least two reasons: 1.) Getting it to rain on ALL of the earth (as the Bible describes)and 2.)The rate of flow from the skies, even if you scaled down the final height of the water to well below the Biblical account, would be something like 6 inches per minute for forty days (Where was the evaporating power of the sun during all of this?).
The Bible however describes the “Fountain” source as being in operation BEFORE the rain(some 7 days?) Geologically there are two sources of water to accommodate a destroying flood: Water in the earth and water on the earth (oceans). Necessarily plate movement,opening of seams etc would come into play at this point since no global flood is possible with out it. At this point the ocean floor shifting (creating massive destroying wave action) and doming prepatory to releasing sub floor water would go a long way toward flooding the land
As a possibility, what exactly is the problem with there being more water in the earth than on it. If you say that that is, on the face of it, ridiculous then you exhibit ignorance of the sheer scale of the earth.
For instance: Look at how much fresh water humans have daily access to and then look at how much of the fresh water that is upon the earth in total is locked up in ice; respectively about 3% and 97% (or something near that).
Now, getting to the “interior” of the earth, the part of the earth that is described in that word is, in thickness with respect to scale of the planet, not even a piece of looseleaf paper. NOT EVEN A PIECE OF LOOSE LEAF PAPER! The most impressive efforts of our miners doesn’t do much more than SCRATCH that thickness of loose leaf yet WATER is in fact one of their most pressing and expensive problems. In fact some of the most impressive monuments to capitalism and human grit and ingenuity remain the MASSIVE pumps created during the Gold Rush of the last half of the 19th century to deal with the flood of first cold then hot water as they descended. Add to that the fact that in a volcanic eruption as much as 75% of the the outflow has been measured to be steam then even in this portion of the earth’s solid layer that is well above the ‘fountains of the great deep’ there is no shortage of water.
Geologically the ‘fountains’ would have to be below the oceans and in terms of simple physics would use the oceans as portals since water is a lot lighter than solid earth. If such water is present it would require a release mechanism as well as a path to subsiding, neither of which is geologically off the scale or even difficult. Indeed in one such place(sub oceanic point between plates) the mantel is not there. It either never formed or was blown away by something. In terms of where 'fountains' would be and how they would release there ain't a hell of a lot of candidates . That narrows down the search considerably.
That’s a shame.
Any idea why the Gilgamesh epic in Babylonian mythology predates the Noah tale?
Oh, I see, you’re one of these one question guys. (It is the tactic of the person who finds it much easier to think he is bright than to prove it).
When it comes to flood tales every culture seems to have them. Anthropologists have been amazed at the disparate cultures, all over the globe and the time scale who have have some kind of Noah. (Noah, by the way was 600 something years old when he had his flood adventure, I have a rough time explaining that one too).
Floods are pretty common and massively destructive to boot. It is a cinch that men would tend to view them as the servant of a higher power. The historical nature (truth or fiction) of Gilgamesh isn’t known. But it is very like all the other (local)flood epics in that it describes an event in a limited place. The Noah story involves the planet and comes to us in a document which is utterly unaltered over almost 5000 years and which claims to be the word of God.
The age of the Old Testament along with it’s pristine state and it’s wonderful precision of language is something that a large and growing group of scientists enjoys throwing themselves up against (to whatever degree possible), ie; Sodom and Gomorrah, Noah etc.
1) Have you calculated how many millions of cubic miles of water you are talking about? All of which leaped to the earths surface, then obligingly disappeared by some unknown mechanism?
2) Do you understand capillary action, and how hard it is to squeeze water out of sedimentary rocks?
2) This volume of water flooded the land, yet the vast majority of the Earth's surface shows no trace of this flooding?
3) This volume of water somehow caused so little chemical disruption that the saltwater and freshwater fish were not killed in the process.
(Why do I even bother...?)
I don’t know, you’re the genius, why do you bother?
You might have noticed that I did calculate the volume of water, then I took off a healthy amount just for the hell of it, and STILL pronounced what was left an staggering amount.
Your idea that water MUST be in sedimentary rock is your own and welcome to it.
Your claim that you know infallibly what evidence must be left after a one of a kind instantaneous worldwide flood and withdrawal, and that the evidence of flooding at the same time around the world doesn’t count doen’t particularly impress me.
In the matter of the withdrawal, if the water was inside the earth and it was somehow expelled then equal and opposite reaction would come into play as the scientists entertaining the theory of water coming from the earth have pointed out.
As far as “chemical disruption”: You have noticed some shortage of massive reserves of salt on the earth? And further, you figured out the sea presently maintains its solution? You must since you are commenting that it was thrown out of whack. I love how ernest guys like you are in refuting Biblical claims. The Noah story involves a 600 something year old guy told by The Invisible Author of all things physical and Time Itself that he must build a boat of specific and not terribly large size and load it with everything and wait out the cataclysm, and you list 3 numbered things that make it all a bit iffy for you. Thanks, man. But I'm betting you could come up with more.
Evidence of floods is easy to see. Just check out the channeled scablands of eastern and southern Washington. They were created by a series of floods backed up behind ice dams around the Idaho panhandle. The lakes backed up to about Missoula, Montana, and when those ice dams let loose they made a fine mess. Scientists can see that mess and date those floods.
There is no corresponding scientific evidence for a more recent and much larger "global" flood. Besides, such a flood would have removed the evidence of the earlier and smaller floods.
You claim "the evidence of flooding at the same time around the world." Please cite your evidence. And according to biblical scholars, that evidence for a "global" flood should be about 4350 years ago, not at the Cambrian some 500 million years ago or some other far distant time.
You must know what it looks like since you claimed that you don’t see it. The scientists who take as their hypothesis that the Bible is factual find themselves in a dark place trying to dope out where the water came from how it moved, what its effects might have been, where it went etc. In fact I’d love to see the computer that can progress a model, not to mention the admiration I’d have for the guy who programmed it.The difference between common flooding and a world killing deluge would be many orders of magnitude greater than the difference in the complete specfication for a Wright flyer and an SST.
Noah's flood is supposed to have been about 4350 years ago according to biblical scholars. We can't see evidence of that flood, but we can see evidence from the smaller late Ice Age floods which created the channeled scablands 2-3 times that age?
This simply does not add up. And you can't explain it away by claiming we don't know what such a flood looked like.
Face it, the global flood about 4350 years ago is a religious belief, and cannot be documented by scientific evidence.
Oh HELL yeah. I don’t think anybody claims they’ve got hands down proof. But that is the fascinating thing to me. I believe it happened exactly as described and that it is simply a matter of figuring out how.
I believe the sheer volume of water involved changes the dynamics of of the thing entirely, though. Consider how much earth, the main fingerprint of flood, such a volume could hold in solution, added to the likelihood that it never really stopped moving.
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