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Patriotism lessons would glorify Britain's morally dubious past, say teachers
The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | January 31, 2008 | LAURA CLARK

Posted on 02/01/2008 4:32:34 AM PST by Stoat

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To: wintertime

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21 posted on 02/01/2008 5:29:14 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Stoat
The Left-leaning institute polled 47 teachers and 299 students at secondary schools in the capital.

This tells a lot about the quality of the 'study'. Left-leaning institute, poll, teachers, students, capital. Each of those could be a huge source of errors.

22 posted on 02/01/2008 5:29:38 AM PST by paudio (Rose: I loath and despise money! Father: You also spend it!)
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To: Stoat

Child abuse can assume many forms... here’s another.


23 posted on 02/01/2008 5:32:55 AM PST by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?)
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To: paudio
The Left-leaning institute polled 47 teachers and 299 students at secondary schools in the capital.

This tells a lot about the quality of the 'study'. Left-leaning institute, poll, teachers, students, capital. Each of those could be a huge source of errors.

Indeed, but the results are entirely in line with what I've come to expect from the Left and from academia.  No grand surprises at all, at least for me.

24 posted on 02/01/2008 5:34:05 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: PubliusMM

Well-stated, superbly implemented, thank you :-)


25 posted on 02/01/2008 5:35:18 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
There was an outcry last year when Winston Churchill was dropped from a list of figures which needed to be covered in history, although the Second World War remains compulsory.

It would seem extraordinarily difficult to me to teach very much about the Second World War without some amount of reference to Winston Churchill.

26 posted on 02/01/2008 5:41:22 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: Snickersnee
Child abuse

Yes, figurative carpet knives in the hands of teachers.

HF

27 posted on 02/01/2008 5:44:44 AM PST by holden
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To: bobjam

You forgot the steam engine that brought the Industrial Revolution


28 posted on 02/01/2008 5:50:39 AM PST by balls
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To: Stoat
A vip in the British educational system wonders if it is morally justifiable to love ones own country. I can't believe it. Actually I can believe it given the heavy Marxist inclination of many teachers I knew.

Britain can start now by firing every last leftist teacher in their schools. I suppose that, just like in the States, it would be illegal. But I'd love to see it done...here and there.

29 posted on 02/01/2008 5:52:32 AM PST by driftless2
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There was an outcry last year when Winston Churchill was dropped from a list of figures which needed to be covered in history, although the Second World War remains compulsory.

It would seem extraordinarily difficult to me to teach very much about the Second World War without some amount of reference to Winston Churchill.

Sort of like teaching about subjects such as astronomy and our solar system without making reference to the Sun, eh?

Sir Winston as well as anyone who scored victories against the Left are not held in high esteem in academia.

Churchill dropped from England's history syllabus ( pandering to a P.C. agenda)

Great Britain Fury at Churchill statue (Former PM and beloved hero is in a straightjacket)

30 posted on 02/01/2008 5:53:28 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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"At the same time it is important that children learn tolerance, respect and understanding of other cultures and countries . . ."

This is what the educrats consider to be their real reason for being. Reading, writing, etc. are secondary. THIS is what is wrong with education today. It may not be the only thing wrong, but dump this crap, and you will have gone a long way to fixing what ails our education process.

31 posted on 02/01/2008 6:01:57 AM PST by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, he-he, ho-ho!)
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To: SAMWolf

Patriotism does not need to be “taught” in the US. Instead, students should be given a good grounding in the Constituion and patriotism will be a natural biproduct.


32 posted on 02/01/2008 6:03:09 AM PST by balls
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"Praising patriotism excludes non-British pupils," said one.

Ostensibly, the "non-British pupils" came to Britain for a reason.

33 posted on 02/01/2008 6:03:37 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.)
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"Praising patriotism excludes non-British pupils," said one.

Ostensibly, the "non-British pupils" came to Britain for a reason.

There was a time, not so very long ago, when immigrants coming to the UK or the USA looking for work and a better life were also expected to learn the history and traditions of their new home and to immerse themselves in the 'melting pot' ....not in an effort to eradicate their own country's traditions from their lives entirely as the Left would have us believe, but to help them to fit in with the rest of America or the UK and to allow them to be successful....so that they wouldn't be outsiders.

Although our own citizenship test here in the USA is one that many native-born Americans would find challenging (an indictment of our public school system, not of people's patriotism) the Left continues to chip away at such knowledge and cultural requirements on both sides of the Pond.  They would like nothing more than for there to be open borders and numerous ghetto enclaves of divergent cultures and languages....because the only way to administer and govern such a "country" would be via a heavy-handed, tyrannical and breathtakingly oppressive Socialist government.

Babel represents the pinnacle achievement of The Socialist Miracle.

 

34 posted on 02/01/2008 6:38:28 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
No matter what the West does, we will ALWAYS be wrong in the eyes of the Left.

Romans 10:3 says this:

For being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
Paul was talking of his own nation there, but modern leftists are in the same situation. The difference is that first-century Jews believed in the Bible (the Tanakh), while modern leftists have no such reference; they pretty much follow the herd. The similarity is that it's all about establishing "righteousness".

We often notice that leftists want to "feel good" about themselves. What makes them feel good is this idea that "I'm better than ___." It's a sort of righteousness which develops from running others down, a predatory or fungal process rather than a constructive one. The "good, righteous" feeling develops in direct proportion to the respectability and inherent virtue of the target. Meaning, for instance, that running down America or Britain gives mucho points, more than could be had by talking about Rwanda or the Sudan.

They also get extra points for following, and in exceptional cases, leading the herd in directions contrary to reason. And there is a special bonus given for direct contradiction to the bourgeois morality of the unwashed masses (that's us!) which derives partly from some ancient book which (leftists believe that) nobody really believes.

To leftists, the herd is the thing. And the herd, as we have seen, can turn on a dime. Today's bedrock truth is tomorrow's lie. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

35 posted on 02/01/2008 7:45:49 AM PST by thulldud (“America is a mean country and South Carolina is a meaner state,” ( Lonnie Randolph, NAACP))
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To: balls

“You forgot the steam engine that brought the Industrial Revolution”

That certainly should be included in the list since we are discussing Great Britain rather than just England. The steam engine led to the “horseless carriage”, which became the automobile. The horse was abandoned and Western city streets almost immediately ceased being filthy strips of mud, standing water and horse manure. Outbreaks of cholera and other water and insect bourne pestilences came to halt as a result.

Of course the socialist libs would view the steam engine as a great evil because it led to industrialization and technological advances. Somehow boulevards not filled with manure was a societal setback to them.


36 posted on 02/01/2008 7:49:51 AM PST by bobjam
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To: Stoat
God bless Great Britain, for she has blessed the entire planet.
The British have so much to be proud of.

I will miss them, and will speak fondly of them to my grandchildren.

37 posted on 02/01/2008 8:51:55 AM PST by laotzu
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"In this island we have today achieved in a high degree the blessings of civilization. There is freedom; there is law; there is love of country; there is prosperity. There are unmeasured opportunities of correcting abuses and making further progress." - Winston Churchill, University of Bristol, July 2, 1938.

Churchill - The Last Lion Roars.

38 posted on 02/01/2008 8:57:13 AM PST by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: Stoat

This is the winter of our discontent, made glorious summer by this son (sun) of York.

39 posted on 02/01/2008 8:57:22 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Being an idealist excuses nothing. Hitler was an idealist.)
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To: Always Right
Whites need to be taught to be ashamed of themselves. Hate whitie is the only message appropriate for children.

LOL, at thinking how my kids would respond to that...Mom's Hispanic with a tinge of Mescalero Apache, and I'm of good Scot/German stock.

40 posted on 02/01/2008 3:19:53 PM PST by Night Hides Not (Don't blame me - I'm a Fredhead!)
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