Posted on 01/29/2008 2:39:37 PM PST by Incorrigible
“Not surprising at all,”
Duh - the general driving population are the control group that DID NOT have an accident.
“You seriously don’t think alcohol delays your reaction time?”
Lots of things do lots of things - thats why I think that it is a crime to put poeple in jail that have never had an accident.
And you do believe in throwing people in jail who have done no harm to no one.
They used to call that communism.
“You still haven’t answered the question, would you fly on a plane with a legally intoxicated pilot, or have your brain operated on by an intoxicated brain surgeon?”
If they can do a proper job, why not?
I dont think alchohol is evil - you do.
sorry but there are lots of people that should have a drink or two before they get behind the wheel.
Ok...you don't qualify...get over it and quit whining....you must have served in a very narrow window of time to not qualify for the American Legion...Thank you for your service...
Oh...I get it...you were on secret missions that don't reflect your actual whereabouts....BS....the Raven FACS have it on their DD214.....
I'm not surprised that a REMF retired AF E-8 would make that comment....
203-4 There are none publicly listed as having been in VN. It is a specifically Vietnam AFSC. We served in-country and at Kadena and NKP. Our Navy counterparts have the same DD214s that do not directly show VN service presence. I was at Pleiku and TSN. You were a remf? or a mudsucker? perhaps?
Uh-huh, but when they’ve had more and are over the limit, that’s when the problem comes in.
Conservatives say people that see no necessary limits are liberals.
I’ve never said anything about alcohol being evil, I think it’s simply immoral to drink and drive when you’re intoxicated.
Actually I’m in the VFW and served in Korea in ‘86.
I'm not whining. To spell it out for you, it was one week after I became a civilian that I inquired about membership in these organizations. I was ignorant about the details of their membership rules. I assumed that they were organizations for veterans who had honorably served their country. I was wrong.
They chose to place limits their membership to whose service occurred during periods of time they determined to be worthy of their approval. That is their right. I have no quarrel with their structuring their organizations in a manner they deemed appropriate to their needs and interests at the time they were formed.
I didn't know that they had these rules. Had I known I would not have applied.But when I, first hand, heard the stupid outbursts from some of their national leaders about our Viet Nam vets, and when I first hand, witnessed some of their members denigrating the service of veterans who had honorably served when their time came, war or not, I gave up on these clowns.
Now about your apparent need to attack me when I only related my experience in this matter, I wonder why you attempted to call into question the veracity of what I have related or even the truth of my military experience.
There are more questions here about you than there are about me.
I never call names on this forum. It is too easy to do and I believe names and insults should only be done face to face.
If he was over the limit he was putting other people’s lives at risk.
I know I’ve seen people that get behind the wheel stone cold sober, and have absolutely zero business on the road, and I’ve seen people put down a 12 pack and drive perfectly fine.
I’ve also seen seasoned drinkers get out of cars unable to stand up let alone walk a straight line. Didn’t even know where they were, where they were going...had no idea what was going on!
The problem is the police can’t possibly judge a person’s tolerance or that magical point where a seasoned drinker has had too much and might pass out behind the wheel, once they pull off, let alone some way to test each person individually.
I’ve seen gals who have no business on the road sober then have a drink or two and become flat out LETHAL!
So I don’t know how there’s a way to police all the differrent scenarios and it seems psychtotic to just wait until somebody has an accident!
“We buried my father yesterday in the National Cemetery in Riverside, CA.”’
Sorry about your Dad, peace to you.
thank you
4 DUI's? Hmmm guess they really should have waited for him to kill a family of 4 on their way home from the movies before throwing him in jail. That would be justice for him.
I have a GTO...I can handle it at 150mph on the interstate. Guess I should be allowed to drive as fast as I want since I can handle it...at least until I kill someone. Then you can punish me. Punish only actions...don't try to deter.
Please. Someone who has had 4 DUI's is an IDIOT and deserves to go to jail for life...simply because they don't GET IT.
Maybe I shouldn't call the cops on all these drunks I see weaving all over the road after they leave the cantina.
Cool...by that logic there should be no speed limits...no school zones...and no laws prohibiting the planning of a murder...as long as you don't go through with it. After all...no harm was ACTUALLY done. Reckless driving? Not a problem until someone gets hurt. Heck...let me shoot my rifle into the air on New Year's...you can charge me if I hit someone.
Oh...and you might want to review the definition of communism. As I recall...plenty of people in this Representative Republic were put in jail...lynched...etc...for doing nothing wrong. The socioeconomic structure has nothing to do with it.
You need to go find someone who will believe your AFSC story...I don't and by the way...I was a REMF every chance I got!!!
Suggestion or idea...
Merge both organizations into a new "American Veterans" organization.
In some places that have supported both with meeting halls it could mean closing one of the two, but it would be better than losing both when neither group has enough to keep their post going. And another thing -- open membership to all veterans regardless of whether or not one served in a foreign war, or during one of the qualifying periods for the Legion.
And let’s also include Brits, Canadians, Aussies, and New Zealanders who also have served often alongside Americans in many wars.
“I’ve never said anything about alcohol being evil, I think it’s simply immoral to drink and drive”
THAT IS THE PROBLEM We are no longer bound by our actions, but by things.
By the reverse token, if we get someone who kills their significant other, no judgement can be made until we know if certain “things” are involved.
Were they black or white? Rich or “Disadvantaged”, involving sex or honor, this religion or that.
Do you see, it is not about the action anymore - good and evil is now a function of things, not deeds.
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