Posted on 01/28/2008 8:39:17 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
That's not really true. Obviously, machine guns and most of the items covered under NFA 34 ARE the types of arms useful to a militia. The Miller decision was simply ignored, not broadened, to include such arms.
Not so. A rifle without ammunition is not a "firearm" it is just a club. If the Second Amendment protects the keeping and bearing of rifles, then it protects the keeping and bearing of the ammunition for them.
This will all start off as a safety compliance HAZMAT type affair and grow from there.
What's happening in England is just their test bed to see how well the people comply with new regulations.
I am fairly sure that someday in the near future that all gun collections will have to be registered. Just what will comprise a 'gun collection' I have no idea. If the feds have a database that shows them that you own X number of guns, then you could expect an annual regulation compliance visit by authorized local anti-gun inspection "volunteers."
When I explained that copies are prohibited, he became very irate about 'governement registration'.
I explained that 4473 was kept in the store archives for BATFE inspections. There was no 'registration' other than the NICS number showing that , yes, you bought a long gun from a legitimate dealer.
I asked where he got the idea that the 4473 was a 'registration' and he replied that his friends had told him, now the governement would be able to find you.
I wound up cancelling the purchase because he raised such a fuss.
Such "volunteers" would be woefully underpaid for performing such a hazardous job. You just never know when you are going to run across some "gun nut" with unpopular opinions regarding the meaning of the Second Amendment.
There is no doubt in my mind that the combination of the 4473s and the inventory records that FFLs are required to maintain constitute a distributed registration of all new firearms sold.
As various FFLs go out of business, their records are turned over to the BATFE. As this progresses, the database will be centralized and not distributed.
Any particular reason we should use the English examples of laws when they are the very people that we fought in order to gain our freedom???
This is a common characteristic shared by every last argument in favor of the DC ban.
"Fringe," you say?
Only if the Founders, including the Second President of the United States, were "fringe."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson
But there's no real point in worrying about that, as given the long history of the Supreme Court's discussion of the Second Amendment, it's extremely unlikely that your scenario will come to pass.
I confident that they would be trained that if the ‘holder’ showed any signs of resistance they were to leave the premises immediately and report the situation to the local SWAT team who would then bring his Team to demand compliance.
They can’t legally do it.
But governments have taken many of our rights away illegally. They do it a little at a time, so that one day we wake up and we are in the soviet union.
Legally speaking, I disagree. As far as I know, firearm laws rarely make the distinction between loaded and unloaded. When I buy a firearm, it is never loaded, but I must still show my permit. I can not legally conceal-carry in a restricted area just by dumping my rounds. If I jack-up a liquor store with an unloaded pistol, the law won't treat it as a club.
Don't get me wrong. I believe the framers meant for arms and ammo to be one in the same, but those who would disarm us won't follow that logic and we need to be ever vigilant.
I agree that the Bloomers in our country would love to do this, but I doubt they will ever have the monetary resources to pull it off. It's not a job for volunteers.
I'm hoping for the best, but planning for the worst.
And yes, this would include ammunition and production of said arms as well.
I like and agree with your view, but I don't see it being adopted by those who want to disarm us all.
The gun grabbers actions have gotten more people killed than misapplication of personal self-defense EVER has or ever could.
>It’s not a job for volunteers.<
The volunteers would do the local inspections. Somebody like Soros could use his pull to get it going through our Congress. Wait until after the REAL ID Plan is imposed then watchout.
>but I don’t see it being adopted by those who want to disarm us all.<
Where do you think the “downsizing in the number of hunters” starts? Public education schooling can change any society in one generation.
I’m glad my time is drawing to an end because I don’t want to see what I’m afraid my kids will see.
If the Second Amendment protects individuals in DC, then it protects individuals throughout the nation. This has tremendous potential impact on ALL federal laws, as the US brief points out.
Also, if the Supreme Court upholds the DC Circuit decision and it does so because "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" is a fundamental right, then it will be considered by every court in the nation, state and federal as a fundamental, individual right.
If the Supreme Court decides that the right is NOT fundamental, then that also removes the last lingering constraints on non-federal anti-gun states.
You will have to explain to me how the Heller decision can be "narrow". What will keep the decision from applying to other jurisdictions and to other arms?
The only way to get a "narrow" decision is for the Supreme Court to affirm DC WITHOUT COMMENT. But even that provides some support for the DC Court's decision of an individual right subject to strict scrutiny.
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