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Archbishop-Coach Clash Roils St. Louis
AP ^ | January 25, 2008 | CHRISTOPHER LEONARD

Posted on 01/25/2008 6:02:55 AM PST by NYer

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Rick Majerus speaks during a news conference introducing him as the new basketball coach at Saint Louis University, Monday, April 30, 2007, in this file photo from St. Louis. A Roman Catholic archbishop's call for Saint Louis University to discipline its basketball coach for publicly supporting abortion rights puts the school in a bind. If it takes action against the colorful coach, it risks criticism for clamping down on the free exchange of ideas. (AP Photo/Jeff Roberson,file)
1 posted on 01/25/2008 6:02:57 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 01/25/2008 6:03:33 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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The two faced clergy stands by and watches the John Kerry family, Kennedy’s and other politicians ignore the church.
Going after a coach would be stupid unless they apply the same rules to the elitist Catholic politicians.


3 posted on 01/25/2008 6:10:43 AM PST by oldironsides
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To: NYer

Here’s the only pressure the Archbishop can bring to bear; is this a Catholic institution or not? If not, there’s no need for all these priests, who I believe need his permission to say Mass in the archdiocese.
He can of course instruct priests under his jurisdiction to refuse the sacraments to Majerus. Let’s see how big those balls really are.


4 posted on 01/25/2008 6:11:25 AM PST by steve8714 (Build the fence, ship 'em out, legalize teen workers.)
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To: Just another Joe

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5 posted on 01/25/2008 6:13:31 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: NYer

It would be interesting to see how coach Majerus would react to member(s) of his basketball team, in a public forum, directly criticizing his coaching theories and methods.


6 posted on 01/25/2008 6:13:59 AM PST by FairWitness
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And my First Amendment right to free speech supersedes anything that the archbishop would order me to do.

This man is an idiot. The First Amendment has absolutely no bearing on his relationship with the university or the bishop, neither of which are government entities.

If the bishop and the university, private entities, refuse to let him use their platform to speak his mind, his one and only recourse is to go elsewhere.

It's simple, Ricky Boy:

Go Away, or Shut Up.

7 posted on 01/25/2008 6:14:07 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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“The free exchange of ideas?” Fine. If encouraging sucking broken baby parts out of wombs is an “idea” worth exchanging, then what isn’t? THe school paper should run front page headlines of walrus boy there shoving cheeseburgers down his throat, asking “Should we allow our investment to harm itself?” If someone married Tubby, why not run some “Freely Exchanged Ideas” on her too? God help anyone every shut up for any reason.


8 posted on 01/25/2008 6:14:20 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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What discipline other than dismissal could be considered? If the coach believes in abortion rights then his beliefs are at odds with his employer. Hitting him with a fine or something isn’t going to change those beliefs. If the school considers him wrong for believing as he does then they should dismiss him and find someone else.


9 posted on 01/25/2008 6:14:57 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: oldironsides
Please enlighten me:

What job in the Catholic Church does John Kerry hold?

Oh, yes: He doesn't hold one ... he can't be fired.

Use your brain.

10 posted on 01/25/2008 6:15:50 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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If they back down, they just become another Georgetown.


11 posted on 01/25/2008 6:18:00 AM PST by JZelle
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Coach Majerus looks a little sleepy and needs a cup o Joe. Here coach, have some coffee:

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12 posted on 01/25/2008 6:19:36 AM PST by vox_freedom
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Surely he will have every liberal and civil libertarian and member of the elite intelligentsia championing the right to free speech and exchange of different ideas. How different that is from Choate School here in CT where Karl Rove is supposed to be the commencement speaker. There are already howls of protest against that. I suspect the school will have to back down. Rove is pure evil, some students say. Well, of course he is far worse than a commencement speaker like, let’s say, Mumia....


13 posted on 01/25/2008 6:19:54 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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If it takes action against the colorful coach, it risks criticism for clamping down on the free exchange of ideas.

So the Catholic Church will have to bear more criticism? Whatever will we do? Coach Majerus is free to exchange any idea he wishes, but while he is employed as a basketball coach for a Jesuit Catholic university, he is a representative of that university, and should uphold that institution's mission.

An employee does not have carte blanche to speak ill of their employer in public settings, while they remain in that same employ.

14 posted on 01/25/2008 6:20:40 AM PST by Lou L
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By the way, after scoring only 20 points against George Washington, in a basketball game earlier this year, someone should reprimand Majerus for that sorry output, alone.


15 posted on 01/25/2008 6:22:17 AM PST by Lou L
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"I think religion should be inclusive. I would hope that all people would feel welcome inside a church, and that the church would serve to bring people together, even if they happen to disagree on certain things."

Just like talking about which flavor bagel he prefers.

16 posted on 01/25/2008 6:22:44 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Benedict Arnold was against the Terrorist Surveillance Program)
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MAjerus as basketball coach is OK. Majerus as constitutional scholar is a joke. Majerus as a Catholic employed by a private Catholic University to be the leader of young Catholics is a travesty.

Fire him.

17 posted on 01/25/2008 6:23:09 AM PST by jwalsh07
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SI did a profile on him last month. This guy’s a ticking time bomb.


18 posted on 01/25/2008 6:24:09 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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“These beliefs are ingrained in me,” Majerus told the paper. “And my First Amendment right to free speech supersedes anything that the archbishop would order me to do. My dad fought on Okinawa in World War II. My uncle died in World War II. I had classmates die in Vietnam. And it was to preserve our way of life, so people like me could have an opinion.”

This flatulent fatass is an embarrassment to himself, to the university, to the Church, and most of all, to his friends and relatives who died for this country protecting our freedoms.

The idiot can spew all the filth he wants. It’s a free country. But it’s a free country - no Catholic institution should be obligated to hire/retain such an imbecile.

Let’s see if the university has the guts to do the right thing - fire his sorry butt.


19 posted on 01/25/2008 6:24:51 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: ShadowAce
ehhhh, I don't know that this deserves a MO ping just yet.
It doesn't involve government to any degree nor is it a compelling local story that needs to get out.

Unless you can convince me otherwise.

20 posted on 01/25/2008 6:24:57 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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