FairTax: Double Taxation, An Admission

Townhall ^ | January 23, 2008 | By Hank Adler

[cowboyway]

good luck with that... Remember... the mods can read too..

Are you going to retract your baseless accusation?

A simple Yes or No will suffice.

[xcamel]

Are you going to retract your constant insinuations/accusations that because someone is against the FT, they must be profiting from the income tax system, or in some way employed or funded by the Treasury Dept?

Thought so.

[cowboyway]

Are you going to retract your constant insinuations/accusations

I asked you, repeatedly, a very precisely written QUESTION. A QUESTION is not an accusation. (Look it up if you don't believe me.)

Your answer to my question was to ACCUSE me of being a 'tax cheat', which is a serious charge, especially since tax offenders can lose every thing they have, including their freedom, at the hands of your beloved IRS.

In the context of the FairTax debate, it is perfectly legitimate to question ones ties to the IRS when that person is as vociferously opposed to the FairTax as you are because anyone whose livelihood is dependent on the income tax system has very little or no credibility in the FairTax debate.

That being said, are you going to retract your vicious accusation against me? Yes or No.

What's it gonna be, boy..........yes.........or......no..........

[xcamel]

Here is my original statement:

"Using your logic, all pro fairtax people would have to be criminal tax cheats, with a vested interest in not getting caught..."

Now, what you are doing has become outright harrassment. Please, get a life.

[cowboyway]

From your post #550:

So, being a tax cheat, you’ve been forced to pay your taxes at the point of a gun? Please tell us more...

You accused me of being a 'tax cheat'.

Either retract post #550 or say bye-bye.

has become outright harrassment.

Oh, please. Drop the drama queen facade.

[baybabe]

It's easy to see you've gotten into xcamel's "head" (whatever that might be) and are beginning to hit him with body blows.

The next thing you know he'll start posting nonsense and off-topic graphics which, child-like, he thinks are meaningful. As you've seen he really has no noticeable debating skills and no points to debate.

He's just like many of the other attack-bots.

[xcamel]

Gee.. someone posts "drama queen" and look who sticks their $.02 in..

[cowboyway]

He's just like many of the other attack-bots.

As I wrote in post #563, anyone whose livelihood is dependent on the income tax system has very little or no credibility in the FairTax debate.

It's like a farrier advocating the continued use of horses after the automobile has been invented.

[xcamel]

“Ed Brown” types have no credibility advocating for reform.. Or is it Wesley?

[cowboyway]

“Ed Brown” types have no credibility advocating for reform.. Or is it Wesley?

For the record: I am not a tax evader. Income taxes are deducted from my pay every week, just like millions of other Americans and a certified public accountant prepares my tax returns every year.

I'll go even further. I'll post images of both my pay stubs and my tax return (you pick a year) if you will, likewise, post proof that your livelihood is NOT dependent on the income tax system.

There's a monumental difference between you and I.

I'm honest and I have nothing to hide. But you..... well....

Time to put up or shut up, sonnyboy.

[xcamel]

Time to take your own medicine.

You honestly think anyone on FR has to answer to you ??????

Get over yourself.

[baybabe]

Nonsense - the prebate is neither socialistic nor income rediestibution.

It is a tax refund much like the one many taxpayers receive after April 15. Everyone gets a free ride up to the poverty level - including Bill Gates.

[baybabe]

The continued - and continual - attacks by xcamel make it very clear that he IS beholden to the present system in some way (and has no other life to boot).

Perhaps he has no family to love him and is reaching out to FR for affection but just doesn't know how.

[meyer]

First, you say....

Nonsense - the prebate is neither socialistic nor income rediestibution.

...then you say....

Everyone gets a free ride up to the poverty level - including Bill Gates.

Well, which is it? Do some people escape with a net tax of zero or less, or is it fairly applied to all at the same rate? And how is this 'poverty level' determined?

[baybabe]

It's both actually. It's a tax rebate, not income redistribution (as done with a number of things under the present system). It's a lot like getting your IT refund after April 15 - it's a refund.

And no one (in effect) pays taxes up to the poverty level even (is there an echo in here) Bill Gates. Those whose income is sufficiently low (this probably does not include Gates) and/or who spend frugally on FairTaxable consumables (and not everything is FairTaxable despite the opponents claims) will have a negative net tax - meaning that the prebate more than repays them for the taxes they are charged. IOW, they benefit. If you can get yourself into that category by choice you could benefit too.