Posted on 01/21/2008 3:50:08 PM PST by Prospero
If the Republican nominee isn’t determined well ahead of the Republican convention, the DemocRATS will win by huge margins. Considering Florida is a winner take all state, I think Florida Republicans should consider that if Fred is just a “me too” candidate, he could could split the anti McCain vote enough to let McCain win Florida. I think most Romney and Thompson voters do not want McCain.
Thompson should drop out and give his support to Romney. Thompson can’t/won’t win.
but he was nice to mccain
what a...
Paul voters would be greateful to all fredtards
“FNC reported a few minutes ago that Fred has pulled out of the debate this week.”
Somebody posted a thread with that message, but it was up for only a few minutes before the mods pulled it. Maybe a disinformation campaign?
That's an understatement to say the least.
Nothing on Fred 08 either.
Rush needs to pee or get off the pot.
Endorse Fred. Maybe that’ll give him a boost.
I really hate to see the last conservative thinking about getting out. I doubt I could bring myself to vote for any of the remaining choices. Definitely not the Huckster...or Romney...or
FRED! PLEASE STAY IN!!!
I did - the thread is back up apparently, revived from the dead.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1957333/posts
I predicted this was coming but I’m not dancing on Fred’s grave.
He was the only one of the ‘mainstream’ candidates I could possibly vote for in the general, warts and all.
JimRob has already endorsed Fred.
Some interesting ideas. As a vanity it’s very long. As an article in wanders a bit and doesn’t get to the point quickly enough.
You are calling for Fred to stay in and cause a brokered convention. He might. I think right now all six of them are playing chicken. Once one goes, there could be the start of a wave that moves another. With them all in we could get the brokered convention.
I found the whole “war” section at the end disjointed. With a good editor I bet you could make a snappy 4 or 5 paragraph piece out of this.
I say the process is working better than usual. New Hampshire and Iowa haven’t picked our candidates. Michigan crossover voting Democrats haven’t had too much influence. It appears that there will be no leader until after Super Tuesday, at which point 40% of the nation will have had their say! That’s great!!
It’s likely no leader will emergen until a much greater percentage, like 70% or 80% have voted. Late states could be “the deciders”.
The odd system has worked out O.K.
Fred is free to stay in an try for more delegates in the south. But the facts are if he can’t win in any state he’s probably not going to be the nominee.
BTW: It’s silly to claim all Reagan Republicans are for Fred. Reagan built the coalition, and attracted all sides. The problem with the current bunch is most only appeal to one side of the coaltion.
Fred has other issues that are hurting him. (Some of which he could address, but hasn’t.) I’m sure there are lots of Reagan supporters supporting every single one of the Republican candidates.
Why?
Fred is the only conservative candidate in the race.
Romney is the lesser of evils.
Haven't we enough of lesser of two evils?
Apparently not.
Just a minor note ... it's not "the GOP," but rather the voters who are not voting for Fred, and thus it is the voters who appear to be turning their backs on you, the poster.
I’m not leaving the Republicans they are leaving me!From entitlement spending and pork ,the gang of 14 a..kissing of Teddy Kennedy,the attempt to ram through an amnesty bill through the dead of night that would massively change the country , the always trying to suckup to the press by trying to show “growth” as a leader by getting down on their knees to the Democrats , and now the system where the liberal press and the “cross over” voter decides who gets to lose to Hillary in November!It’s time to say goodbye to “compassionate conservatism” .The current leaders just don’t get it and after hearing Newt try to spin to Rush the global warming B.S and telling us how smart Hillary is has shown me that they want to be inside players in the beltway not representing our interest but we need them to get things done so keep sending in money to the RNC.But don’t organize at the grassroots level without D.C. sanction because Mr.McCain will demand that you go to jail!After all can’t have free speech during an election! To quote Kang “only a fool fights in a burning house!”
There is zero historical evidence to support that opinion.
Truman was strongly contested in 1948 by Strom Thurman. Truman as the incumbent did not win the nomination until the Convention. There were a lot of people in the party that thought Truman could not win. In fact the southern Democrats were so angry that they walked out and formed a third party behind Strom Thurman.
Tomas E. Dewey on the Republican ticket was totally unopposed for the nomination. Dewey had been the candidate in 1944 and came fairly close to winning. The Republicans figured that if Dewey gave Roosevelt a good race and they were united and the Democrats divided, Dewey could win the presidency easily.
And as Dewey always said "Our strategy of having me named the nominee early really worked..... to re-elect Truman!"
In 1952 the Republican Convention was very contested with conservatives wanting Mr Republican, Robert A. Taft to be the nominee and the moderate Republicans wanted Ike to win. It was a knock down drag out fight which Ike finally won at the convention.
The Democrats in 1952 united behind Truman's choice of a successor, Adlai Stevenson. The Democrats were certain that a campaign united behind Stevenson would defeat a divided Republican party.. But Ike won in a landslide.
In 1960 The Republican Convention was not very contested. Everyone knew that Ike's VP was going to get the nomination. However Kennedy faced stiff resistance to his nomination. Democratic Majority leader LBJ was nasty oppostion. LBJ's campaign accused Kennedy of having Addison's disease and said his medicine effected his brain. It was a knock down drag out fight. When Kennedy won he sent an aid to ask LBJ to be his VP. Kennedy did not expect LBJ, who was majority leader, to accept. But LBJ did and Robert Kennedy wanted JFK to take back the offer. There was lots of bad blood both before and after the Democratic convention in 1960. And Kennedy was not a certain nominee until the Convention voted.
It was thought that the United Republicans would defeat Kennedy in a divided Democratic party. But Kennedy won a close one.
There was a huge contest in 1992 as no one took the lead for the Democrats early. Bush had no opposition and many Democrats felt that all the animosity in the Democratic party plus Ross Perot in the mix just might reelect Bush. But Clinton won.
McCain contested Bush in 2000 while Gore was unopposed. but Bush won.
You made a statement that has no basis in history.
There is a lot of evidence that an uncontested primary in a party whose candidates are not all that well known, gives the better known other parties candidates a much better chance at victory.
The only way the public at large can learn about this years Republican Nominee is if there is a real contest for the nomination. If it goes undecided until the convention,then the convention audience will be huge. If the nominee is already known, NOBODY BUT THE JUNKIES WATCH the Convention.
You have it exactly wrong.
I would have voted for Thompson in a heartbeat. But its over. South Carolina was supposed to be his bread basket. No such luck. I DO NO WANT MCCAIN. That leaves Romney. Is he perfect? Hell no. But we have to get realistic. Ideological purity is great. I’m all for it. But Hillobamedwards scares the crap out of me. ROMNEY ‘08.
I have worked in many campaigns. One of the first thinks I noticed that a huge number of the volunteers were RINOs. They worked their rear ends off for any Republican.. Conservative or RINO.
Then after the Republican Conservative wins, the RINOS ask for his support on a RINO issue. It is hard for a Conservative to tell the people that elected him NO. So he says YES.
At that point he hears from the Conservatives .. they contact him to tell him what the think of his NEW RINOism.
But it was the RINOS that worked to elect him.. and all the conservatives do is trash him... SO one more elected Conservative becomes a RINO. And the Conservatives never figure it out.
If you want to have a voice, you have to work in a campaign. Volunteer and work to get out the vote for every Republican with an R next to his name. Make sure the candidates know what you are doing. Then when you contact them to ask for support on an issue you might be surprised to find that you get it.
Conservative constantly b*tch about RINOs. ..RINOs never b*tch about Conservatives. And Conservatives wonder why they aren't liked.
I'm a realist however if I am voting the Conservative party, it's a Conservative that I intend to vote for.
If it is not possible, then there is no conservatism in the republican party.
True conservatism takes work and most Republicans (apparently) these days have a disdain for work.
That’s all right. Be pure. And lose. Watch as Hillary Clinton becomes president. Watch as Elliot Spitzer is named to the Supreme Court. Watch as your guns are grabbed and your Constitution is turned into Charmin. But that’s OK, we’ll get ‘em next time.
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