Posted on 01/19/2008 6:31:23 PM PST by FocusNexus
“Sorry, after losing the conservative state of South Carolina, Huckabee is dead. That one was a must win for Huck. Romney’s campaign will now also be on life support.”
Should it turn out that Fred can’t or won’t continue, which candidate do you think will carry the South. My money would be on McCain over Romney and probably Rudy as well, but that’s an observation not a prediction.
There was a day that I would have stood side by side with you arguing the "two choice" theory as being the only option.
I believe I have matured to the point that I now believe it is a fallacious argument. A Flip Flop if you like.
But I am not here to convert anyone to my way of thinking.
Do as you must. It is your prerogative. But as I have been mentioning to others, disparaging others for their God given rights to make their own choices, especially on whom they support in a political race, is not a way to win the argument you postulate.
Cheers!
> I saw Mary Matalin, who is Fred’s campaign spokesperson, say they “love McCain”, when asked what the Fred Campaign thinks about McCain. Then, naturally, went on to say, that they think Fred would make a better president, but she kept praising McCain.
Oh no. Please don’t tell me Matlin is involved in the Thompson campaign?!
No, this year I’m voting for Thompson, not a third party candidate. I’ve not been so impressed by a fed-gov candidate in many years — I am thrilled to be able to cast my vote for him in my primary and in November.
However, my larger point is that coalitions only exist so long as they are mutually beneficial to their members. To paraphrase Rummy, the mission determines the coalition; the coalition doesn’t determine the mission.
My mission is Constitutional principles, small government, and personal responsibility/values. I will stand with the GOP in the exact measure that it as a coalition stands by those principles.
“GOP Classic” has statesmen like Thompson who to a large extent embody those principles. The “New GOP” may not.
Go Thompson!
> He’s the best candidate the GOP has has had in 25 years and liberal mouthbreathers are voting for the Four Horsemen.
Close, the best candidate in the last 25 years was Phil Gramm, but that freak Buchannan baited him to LA. I don’t want to see another great conservative go down.
Yeah...as someone else said on this thread....With Fred out...your choice is “Dog feces” or “Pig vomit”...Bon Appetite my friend
Correct and still hoping although I feel safe in saying for all of us that continue to support Fred with our time and money, it will not be an easy cruise!
I don't think Huckabee is dead at all. That's media nonsense. Huckabee has done well in all the races so far. He came in 2nd tonight because of Fred Thompson taking enough votes from him. Fred will be out of the race very soon. At that point, Huckabee will be able to unite evangelical voters more in states with large chunks of evangelicals voting in the primary (along with those populist voters that like him). Huckabee having his base of churchgoers and homeschoolers means he doesn't need a ton of money to reach his voters.
Romney’s campaign will now also be on life support.
Romney has a lot of money and has also had success already. Read the posts here at FR and you'll see there are plenty of people who will move from Fred and Hunter to Mitt. Mitt also is more conservative than McCain on some issues (if you believe Mitt when he says he believes certain things). That means that he is able to offer a choice and fill a niche in the primary when things narrow to only 3 choices very soon. Romney also has great organization, and that counts for something to, as far as collecting delegates and staying in the race.
The battle for the big states will be between the rinos McCain and Giuliani, and McCain has the advantage.
Rudy's strategy to chill out until Florida was a stupid one. He is not going to be challenging McCain. Rudy doesn't have any money. McCain is about to raise a ton of money now that a lot of money guys on the sidelines will decide he's the horse that has possibly the best chance to be the nominee. Besides, McCain will be able to win over enough of those Rudy voters to make Rudy's continued stay in the race untenable. McCain could take NY and NJ (two huge blocs of delegates) from Rudy if McCain can punch Rudy hard by winning Florida.
We need FRed in the race. And we need to pull in Huckabee’s pro life evangelicals and Romney’s fiscal conservatives. FRed is the only conservative left who can pull in all three major factions of the Reagan coalition.
The last sentence may be right, but the problem is that he can't convince anyone it's true unless he's able to get that coalition you suggest to support him, and that coalition was ripe for the picking in SC, and Fred couldn't even get to 20%!
Matalin; Race Debate on “Hannity & Colmes”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/01/matalin_race_debate_on_hannity.html
SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Welcome to HANNITY AND COLMES. Glad you’re with us. I’m Sean Hannity. We get right to our top story tonight. We’re just two days away from the first in the south presidential primary in South Carolina. The candidates have been criss-crossing the state while volunteers make phone calls and television ads filling the airwaves. And as was the case eight years ago, it seems to be getting really nasty.
Joining us now is Fred Thompson’s campaign adviser, Mary Matalin. Mary, always good to see you.
MARY MATALIN, THOMPSON CAMPAIGN ADVISER: Hey Sean.
...
HANNITY:.....Why does he seem only willing to attack or go after or challenge Mike Huckabee but not Senator McCain? Senator McCain is leading there?
MATALIN: No, of course, he’s been challenging — I wouldn’t call it attacking. He’s been challenging each of these candidates on their issues. And specifically relative to McCain, he said he disagreed with his immigration issue. Let me say this, Fred Thompson would not have gotten in the race if John McCain was scratching the conservative itch. You listed all the things that John has not been conservative on. I would add to that, it was a tipping point for a lot of conservatives, he’s now jumped on the pseudo-religious global warming bandwagon. That’s just madness.
But they are friends, and if they thought John would have been able to carry the banner that could unite the party to beat the liberals in the fall, he wouldn’t have jumped in the first place. “
MATALIN:.... “We all love John McCain. We just don’t think he’s the kind of conservative that can unite the party. “
"Parties" will be the down fall of this Republic. Shame more Americans didn't pay attention to George Washington's farewell address.
We can play tag your it all night/year long - to what purpose.
Thanks for not calling me any names although my skin is old and think enough to handle it - most of the time.
/;-)
That’s an interesting poll. Looks like consertives have strong legs and hold their positions when under fire.
I’m sticking with Fred!
“But he can ensure that the conservatives don’t coalesce around one candidate, even a faux conservative like Romney. Huck’s placed his eggs in the McCain basket.”
The Huckster has been nice to McCain also, hoping to get a piece of the political pie (some position in McCain’s Admin). However, the Huckster has no personal relationship with McCain like Thompson does. Both are undoubtedly angling, but McCain is a grudge holder, always has been, and he sees Huckabee as being behind “dirty tricks” in SC, and also as the main impediment to his getting wins, unlike Fred who has never been a vote getting threat to McCain. McCain will not be inclined to largesse towards the Huckster, as he will be towards Thompson, his friend.
I won’t support him, but McCain will be the one. Big Name War Hero, Big Government, Mainstream Beltway Republican RINO and it’s his “Turn.” He’ll have the advantage over the social liberal upstart outsider Rudy Giuliani. We need the Reagan coalition now more than ever.
Go, FRed, GO!!
““He stole all his (Thompson’s) votes”
Stole? Isn’t it illegal?
>> I used to love Brit Hume
Something’s changed and I don’t think it’s me. Or maybe I’m just looking forward to something else.
Generally speaking, the media sucks. It really, really sucks. It sucks so bad that it’s a detriment to the welfare of mankind. It’s self-indulging, spiritless, obnoxious, and 2 dimensional in all aspects of its shallowness. There are but a few reliable means through which we get our information that serve any meaningful purpose. That info is rarely on the tube nor in print.
Oh well, marching onward...
Thompson will not accept Veep. McCain will not offer it to him. He will need someone young on his ticket should he (gag) get the nomination. A McCain/Thompson candidacy would be more reminiscent of a trip to the local Senior Center than an inspiring vision of hope for America to our American Idol public.
Lots of prayers he stays in.
God bless Fred Thompson.
My biggest worry is Huck, not McCain (which is saying a lot).
IF Fred drops, I think McCain takes the south as people realize Huck's true colors and conservatives lose interest in the campaign. The odd thing is, I think if Huck drops, Fred takes the south easily.
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