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People plucked off streets, picked for emergency jury duty
Greeley Tribune ^ | January 17, 2008 | Andrew Villegas

Posted on 01/17/2008 7:57:02 AM PST by real saxophonist

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To: AnAmericanMother

The “straw man’, in this case, referring to the scarecrow/dummy.


61 posted on 01/17/2008 9:37:27 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: businessprofessor
I want voluntary service, not compulsory service. Improved compensation is the key to voluntary service.

"Voluntary" service strikes me as a jury pool that is potentially chock full of biased jurors. I'm not looking for jurors who are trying to make a political statement with their verdicts. "Voluntary" service does not guard against juror bias, while juror selection, in many ways, prevents biased juries.

62 posted on 01/17/2008 9:40:46 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: GladesGuru; businessprofessor
Why does it have to be a single system? The current system is somewhat inconvenient, but it works OK for a lot of people. Could it not be combined with a volunteer system? For example, a teacher could volunteer to serve on the jury during the summertime, in return for being abstained from the normal random lottery.

Stay-at-home mom's could volunteer during the schoolyear, when the kids won't be home.

Retirees could volunteer when convenient.

If you knew you were going out of town for an extended period, you could volunteer for the months previous.

Likewise, if the local bar could agree on a set of disqualifications (like being related to a police officer), could a database not be created where potential jurors who are going to be disqualified anyway be registered so that everyone's time isn't wasted calling them?

Seems there are plenty of possible solutions that would not affect the quality of jurors but would eliminate the potential of dragging people off the street.

I had to serve a few months ago, although I spent the whole time without actually hearing a case. It was pleasant enough. I'm in a cyclical business (real estate) and frankly would rather have volunteered for a block of months during our slower time if that had been a possibility.
63 posted on 01/17/2008 9:42:42 AM PST by chrisser ("Europe has become a theme-park representation of its former self." - Chrisser)
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To: real saxophonist

Since defendants have a constitutional right to a jury drawn at random form a cross section of the entire judicial district, any conviction is likely to be reversed and the charges dismissed with prejudice.


64 posted on 01/17/2008 9:49:14 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: Ditto
When jurors get paid the same as lawyers and judges then the system will be fair.

Otherwise those that enrich themselves from the system are nothing but well paid extortionists!

65 posted on 01/17/2008 9:52:01 AM PST by sausageseller (http://coolblue.typepad.com/the_cool_blue_blog/)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Also refer to a “straw man” as a front for questionable activity.

The BATF(E) describes a “Straw Man Puchase” as one where a legal buyer purchases a weapon for someone who is otherwise prohibited from purchasing a weapon.

I suspect that this definition is closer to “Straw Men” than the argument of logical fallacy.


66 posted on 01/17/2008 9:52:17 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: AnAmericanMother

Finally found one:

http://www.fromoldbooks.org/Grose-VulgarTongue/m/men-of-straw.html


67 posted on 01/17/2008 9:53:09 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: real saxophonist
Of the 200 summonses Weld County and District Court administrators sent by mail recently, only 39 people did their civic duty and reported for jury duty Wednesday morning.

Sounds to me that there are hundreds of Illegal Aliens
registered to vote in Weld County.

They can not show up for Jury Duty because they don't speak English.


68 posted on 01/17/2008 9:56:07 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: real saxophonist

JOIN the NRA. Carry their magazine with you at all times.

If picked up in a press gang, wave the magazine in front of the judge and tell him you are certain you an tell who is guilty just by looking at him.

Believe me it will work.


69 posted on 01/17/2008 9:58:23 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Muleteam1
"You might lose that bet, at least if there are others like me. I've lived in Albuquerque for almost fifteen years and have NEVER been called to jury duty. I've often assumed it was because I am a registered Republican and can be easily identified as being a middle-aged white male. I personally think this says a lot about why the American justice system is so very ill."

I live in Howard Co., Maryland. I believe the same thing goes on here too. I have lived here for ten years and have been summoned once but didn't have to show up. (They managed to get me out of system early.) It seems the only people allowed to seve on juries here are minorities and women. If you are a registered Republican, white and male it seems you don't serve on juries in Maryland. Frankly I'm glad. And yes, this is one of the reasons the system of justice in America is collapsing.

70 posted on 01/17/2008 10:03:52 AM PST by StormEye
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To: RockinRight

In Kansas, I was surprised to find that the system won’t allow a husband and wife (who happen to home school 3 children) to intentionally stagger their summonses. My wife and I have received summonses for the same time period, and the court clerk was very clear that my wife would not be allowed to postpone her summons due to child care issues caused by the concurrent summonses.

I was prepared to be a tad demonstrative about the issue (and also to take our 8 year old with us to the courthouse), but we were told we didn’t have to report.


71 posted on 01/17/2008 10:12:13 AM PST by MortMan (Have a pheasant plucking day!)
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To: VirginiaConstitutionalist

“How long before jurors get to ask the defendent why he think he all that?”

When defendants start to use the “Y’all don’t know me!” defense.


72 posted on 01/17/2008 10:16:21 AM PST by Ace of Spades (Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: StormEye

I forget how long ago it was but until the 1980s I think in CT if you were summoned you served for an entire month! I hope not many jurisdictions still use this awful system. If you were on a trial, then at the conclusion you were back in the pool for another. You can imagine how disruptive this was. I think a lot of people managed to get out of it.

In my adult life I have had to report 3 times, the last was in 1996. It looked like a pretty good cross section of society showed up during those times I served. I never got on a jury though. For whatever reason after being summoned 3 times in 7 years, I did not get another notice until last year. Then when I called the night before the recorded announcement said no one should report. I was relieved. Instead of sending me to the court house nearest to my home, I got assigned to another district 20 miles away. This has happened to a lot of people I know so that’s why so many people get miffed about having to serve.


73 posted on 01/17/2008 10:16:47 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: SJSAMPLE

That argument might make sense if they give you warning.


74 posted on 01/17/2008 10:32:29 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: sausageseller
When jurors get paid the same as lawyers and judges then the system will be fair.

You're such a public minded citizen. The very idea of a jury is to have people with no dog in the fight to protect the rights of fellow citizens from judges and lawyers.

75 posted on 01/17/2008 10:34:32 AM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Those "men of straw" are hired bail bondsmen - the straws were the equivalent of the large signs now prevalent in the blocks around the courthouse for "AAA BAIL BONDS" etc.

Those guys aren't jurors, though -- that's what puzzled me. Bail bondsmen who "stand in the shoes" of the defendant as far as posting bail or bond are much more like the traditional understanding of "straw man" (as a "front man", not a "logical fallacy") than jurors.

This fascination with foliage must be a British thing -- like the March hare (or Ophelia) with straws in their hair, or hanging a green bush outside a pub . . ..

76 posted on 01/17/2008 10:44:05 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

As I understand it, the “Straw Men” tradition continued into the American west, where they were often used as hired jurors.


77 posted on 01/17/2008 10:48:42 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: ZULU; real saxophonist
It doesn't work here.

Some guy recently tried the 'over the top outrageous' shtick here in an attempt to get out of jury duty.

The judge found him in contempt of court for perjuring himself in an attempt to escape his jury duty and jugged him for a week.

Just relax, tell the truth, and take it easy. Chances are you won't be impaneled for voir dire, and if you just give honest answers SOMEbody is probably going to want to strike you.

Of course, I thought that until I got impaneled AND selected . . . but it took them 24 years to get me! Those are pretty decent odds.

Unless you're my husband. They get him all the time. He is a real easygoing guy and a stickler for civic duty (which may be why they pick him. Certainly it's why he gets elected foreman. That or his trustworthy demeanor. < g > (I've trusted him for 31 years+) )

78 posted on 01/17/2008 10:49:47 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: SJSAMPLE
That's what I'd really like to see a citation for, because my undergrad degree was in history and I have a full set of American Heritage magazines . . . and I've never heard that origin of the term wrt jurors before.

I've been doing a lot of Western History research because we're getting into Cowboy Action Shooting . . . and again I haven't run across that. But now I'll be looking out for any reference, so I'll see what I find.

Best jury story is in Mark Twain's Roughing It, where a guy took poison, hanged himself, shot himself four times and jumped out a window - - - and the coroner's jury brought in a verdict of "Death by the Visitation of God." If you say so . . ..

79 posted on 01/17/2008 10:52:02 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: TNCMAXQ

You still serve for an entire term (anywhere from four weeks to six months) if you get impaneled on a GRAND jury. But you don’t work every day, and you don’t work all day.


80 posted on 01/17/2008 10:53:01 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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