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Wolf at the Door (Recession, Michelangelo Type Employment Statistics)
Barron's ^
| 7 January 2008
| ALAN ABELSON
Posted on 01/05/2008 1:53:28 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
Alan, you’re finally right!
That wolf must have been on a slow train, because it took him 20 years to get here.
To: shrinkermd
How is five percent unemployment bad?
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posted on
01/05/2008 2:01:02 PM PST
by
kinoxi
To: proxy_user
Yeah , the end is near . Sort of , maybe , it all depends. What a dope. It’s like saying , the ice is melting spring is coming , i told you , i told you ......
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posted on
01/05/2008 2:01:37 PM PST
by
fantom
To: shrinkermd
No. Construction does not slow during the winter months.
That has absolutely nothing to do with this.
Certainly not during a republican administration anyway.
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posted on
01/05/2008 2:03:06 PM PST
by
lonestar67
(Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
To: shrinkermd
...manufacturing, which was supposed be enjoying a boomlet thanks to the debased dollar and demand from abroad... The truth is that we don't manufacture a lot of the products that folks from abroad and our own folks want to buy. So our merchandise trade deficit will not improve very much. After all, there is a natural limit to how much scrap metal, chicken feet and waste paper we can export.
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posted on
01/05/2008 2:14:20 PM PST
by
trane250
To: lonestar67
“Construction does not slow during the winter months.”
But it does from November through the first of the year.
Commercial anyways. Hence the December statistics. Just my 2 cents.
HVACR Mechanical Contractor.
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posted on
01/05/2008 2:17:07 PM PST
by
poobear
(Pure democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. God save the Republic!)
To: shrinkermd
"Unemployment jumped to 5%, from 4.7%. And the big losers were widely dispersed, paced by construction, where 49,000 jobs vanished last month and manufacturing, which lost 31,000. 5% unemployment is considered full employment.
Manufacturing must and will go down within the USA because of an expading global company. Manufacturing is being outsourced which is capitalism in action.
We live in a new era of dynamic economic movement and reallocation. Get used to it.
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posted on
01/05/2008 2:18:30 PM PST
by
Donald Rumsfeld Fan
(“Sincerity is everything. If you can fake that, you’ve got it made.” George Burns)
To: trane250
The truth is we have been rapidly mechanizing, automating and roboticizing our manufacturing base such that we can have massive increases in industrial productivity while laying folks off and increasing exports.
What we have also been doing is dumping antiquated manufacturing processes that require high additional manual input.
Small appliance assembly comes to mind ~ and artificial flowers would be typical.
China has the hands; they have been taking on the relics of the industrial age.
Way to make a buck or two, but the USA, Japan and parts of Western Europe are already several centuries ahead of the rest of the world, and the gap is widening.
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posted on
01/05/2008 2:22:53 PM PST
by
muawiyah
To: poobear
I do believe he/she was being sarcastic.
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posted on
01/05/2008 2:27:58 PM PST
by
DB
To: shrinkermd
The coordinated administrative hold against employment was done a month earlier than usual. The corporate purpose in the planned recession is to bring oil prices down (freight fuel), in order to resume the import binge. ...and maybe a hope on the side that temporarily choking growth in places like China in order to continue the status quo.
It won’t work very well as planned, though. Most of the people looking for work aren’t the people driving fuel hogs every time they get bored. Lay off much of the middle class, and it might work.
The lock against employment usually occurs in January/February, when the top administrators head south for their winter vacations.
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posted on
01/05/2008 2:28:33 PM PST
by
familyop
("I'll buy that for a dollar!" --C.M. Kornbluth, in "The Marching Morons")
To: muawiyah
Things that are used in home construction are often make here in the US. It isn’t surprising at all that manufacturing is taking a hit by the housing slow down. From doors, windows, plumbing, electrical to manufactured lumber.
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posted on
01/05/2008 2:31:48 PM PST
by
DB
To: kinoxi
It’s not but the change could be ominous.
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posted on
01/05/2008 2:33:23 PM PST
by
RightWhale
(Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
To: DB
Definitely windows. Particularly in winter. Not gonna' let those guys open up my house in January.
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posted on
01/05/2008 2:35:03 PM PST
by
muawiyah
To: DB
Yes but the labor in the vast majority of home construction are illegals and don’t show up in the stats.
This is why the home construction bust has not affect the economy as it has in the past. Illegals just go get another job. When Americans get laid off they sit around and complain and draw unemployment.
John
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posted on
01/05/2008 2:35:56 PM PST
by
Diggity
To: RightWhale
It could be winter and a general known trend. It could be the entire collapse of our economic system because an election with an incumbent Republican is about to take place so 5% is catastrophic. A link, for perspective, I posted earlier on this same topic.
Link
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posted on
01/05/2008 2:39:03 PM PST
by
kinoxi
To: muawiyah
"China has the hands; they have been taking on the relics of the industrial age. Way to make a buck or two, but the USA, Japan and parts of Western Europe are already several centuries ahead of the rest of the world, and the gap is widening." -----
Economic literacy PING!!
Hank
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posted on
01/05/2008 2:46:10 PM PST
by
County Agent Hank Kimball
(Well, really just plain Hank Kimball. Well, not "just plain" Hank Kimball, just Hank Kimball....)
To: familyop
Sensationalism by the Media, everywhere you turn we have a negative report this and that. Subprime began the liberals avalanche and was created by the left In congress.
Banks giving out mortgage loans to people that can’t afford the loans has started a recession and Bush is pretending the economy is doing great! He is the predident, issue an executive order to lower the payroll taxes. People like myself will go broke because we can not just stop our 401k plans and the criminals in the USA knows about all of this
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posted on
01/05/2008 2:47:01 PM PST
by
Mojohemi
To: shrinkermd
I think I see the Captain off in the distance......
Hank
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posted on
01/05/2008 2:47:22 PM PST
by
County Agent Hank Kimball
(Well, really just plain Hank Kimball. Well, not "just plain" Hank Kimball, just Hank Kimball....)
To: shrinkermd
Restaurants and bars are the only industry we have in Pittsburgh PA, and County Executive (D) Dan Onorato engineered a ten percent drink tax, effective Jan. 1st.
First drink, tomorrow - air.
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posted on
01/05/2008 2:49:07 PM PST
by
Ciexyz
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