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| 1/1/08
| Bill Whittle
Posted on 01/02/2008 1:10:53 AM PST by Dawnsblood
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The best essayist in the Blogosphere is back, telling the story of a man most do not know, but who made a huge contribution to our nation's security.
To: Dawnsblood
In
part two, he applies Boyd's lessons to Iraq and the surge.
To: Dawnsblood
Good read! Thanks for posting. It is definitely wisdom to come back to.
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posted on
01/02/2008 1:40:03 AM PST
by
tanuki
(u)
To: tanuki
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posted on
01/02/2008 2:23:31 AM PST
by
IGOTMINE
(1911s FOREVER!)
To: Dawnsblood
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posted on
01/02/2008 2:31:25 AM PST
by
230FMJ
(...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
To: Dawnsblood
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posted on
01/02/2008 5:22:42 AM PST
by
rbg81
(DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
To: rbg81
I believe all interesting men are “flawed” in someones eyes. That is because most people cannot wrap their heads around how interesting people look at the world.
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posted on
01/02/2008 5:27:49 AM PST
by
mad_as_he$$
("Has there been a code nine? Have you heard from the Doctor?")
To: Tolik
Lookee here, lad
Regards
alfa6 ;>}
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posted on
01/02/2008 5:52:34 AM PST
by
alfa6
Excellent Read.
I hope Petraeus has his way with the promotion board.
Regarding the Officers we’ve lost we should try to get them back.
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posted on
01/02/2008 5:54:47 AM PST
by
KARAMBIT
To: Dawnsblood
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posted on
01/02/2008 6:11:50 AM PST
by
Stentor
To: Dawnsblood; alfa6; Lando Lincoln; neverdem; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; Valin; King Prout; SJackson; ...
Always interesting Bill Whittle !
This ping list is not author-specific for articles I'd like to share. Some for the perfect moral clarity, some for provocative thoughts; or simply interesting articles I'd hate to miss myself. (I don't have to agree with the author all 100% to feel the need to share an article.) I will try not to abuse the ping list and not to annoy you too much, but on some days there is more of the good stuff that is worthy of attention. You can see the list of articles I pinged to lately on my page.
You are welcome in or out, just freepmail me (and note which PING list you are talking about). Besides this one, I keep 2 separate PING lists for my favorite authors Victor Davis Hanson and Orson Scott Card.
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posted on
01/02/2008 12:24:04 PM PST
by
Tolik
To: Dawnsblood; smoothsailing; Just A Nobody; RedRover
Outstanding essay. With part I and II it’s long but worth the read. I will take acception to his mention of Haditha as being an atrocity.
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posted on
01/02/2008 1:47:33 PM PST
by
jazusamo
(DefendOurMarines.com)
To: Old Sarge
Tank commanders may be charging cavalrymen at heart; sub skippers may be deer hunters using patience and stealth. But fighter pilots are Musketeers. They are swordsmen whose survival depends on remaining on the offensive
that is to say, they are men who survive because they can ... Great read - ping
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posted on
01/02/2008 2:01:27 PM PST
by
GOPJ
(Drug dealers are NOT "unlicensed pharmacists" - - Illegals are NOT "undocumented workers". Bailey)
To: freema
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posted on
01/02/2008 2:01:44 PM PST
by
jazusamo
(DefendOurMarines.com)
To: Dawnsblood
Boyds E-M theory this being the lesser of his two breakthrough ideas would eventually lead, through many pitched bureaucratic battles, to the design of the F-15 Eagle... First off, this is a great article. But I have to take some issue with the above statement since it was the F16, not the F15, that was the product of Boyd's E-M theory. In fact the Boyd team was not all that thrilled with the F16 as it was fielded because they thought that even that small jet could have been smaller if they had dispensed with the onboard Radar system.
Boyd's Fighter Mafia wanted the most nimble dogfighter possible. What they got in the F16 was a strike fighter that was by most standards the best dogfighter then available.
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posted on
01/02/2008 2:13:08 PM PST
by
Tallguy
(Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
To: Dawnsblood
To: jazusamo
Thanks, jaz. Very good piece (I take the same exception but it’s not worth the quibble).
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posted on
01/02/2008 2:29:10 PM PST
by
RedRover
(DefendOurMarines.com)
To: Dawnsblood
Outstanding read. Should be mailed to every single Senator and Congresscritter and just maybe we'd get a little less of this infuriating armchair generalship we've been seeing in the primaries.
One reason real swordsmen and other martial artists depend so much on muscle memory is that it minimizes the OODA loop. Observe, react. That's a lot easier to do with a sword or a fist than it is with an armored division.
Great article!
To: Dawnsblood
An interesting read, but Whittle shows a serious lack of awareness, too. The OODA loop is wonderful when it works -- but there's a lot of noise out there, and a sh*tload of crackpots, all of whom have Great Ideas out there for exactly which decisions and actions will make all the difference.
When Whittle talks about "agility," and "swordlessness" and all the rest -- he talks about it as if it's two swordsmen, undisturbed by anybody else.
Now take (say) a passel of FR Keyboard Kommandos, and toss them into the room with our swordsman, all yelling advice observations, and then complaining loudly when he does something else ....
The fog of war applies in this discussion, too -- but Whittle tends to leave it out. And that's really where he kinda loses his point.
Whittle's argument focuses on actions while we're in the war. But he seriously misses the real point: it's not what you do when you're in the war, but in how you prepare for the war in the first place.
Boyd's OODA loop is not something you get in real-time, you get it through months and years of training and repetition.
The REAL lesson we should take from the article -- and it IS a valuable article -- is that we need to change how we prepare our armed forces for war, be they grunts or generals. He mentions it in passing, but he forgets to emphasize it.
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posted on
01/02/2008 2:48:36 PM PST
by
r9etb
To: Dawnsblood
I knew about OODA, but not about Boyd. Thanks for the post.
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posted on
01/02/2008 3:58:52 PM PST
by
AZLiberty
(President Fred -- I like the sound of it.)
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