Posted on 12/29/2007 8:34:35 AM PST by greyfoxx39
I see you are still your most kind and loving self.
Really....? They are ALL biblical scholars, eh? And they are all "lay" person's!! Sure, I get it...Bill Clinton carried a bible when it suited him. Is that what these guy's do too?
Do not mistake a lay ministry (from which all Church leaders are drawn) for an ignorant one. Lay ministers actually have to -work- for a living. That means a profession.
I've had a "lay" Bishop...tell me FLAT out, he actually knew little about the bible. Didn't know scripture...and couldn't debate/talk about the bible if his very LIFE...( which it does...) depended on it.
But I appreciate your lecture.
BTW, it's plainly obvious to me...that you have not sought God with a truly open heart, ...otherwise you would have long ago seen the the WAY.
I do pray that you see the TRUTH...and the LIFE.
Yeah, I know....you all pick and choose what appears to be relevant to ya.
That's great.....!!
I do believe you used the term “general authority.” Now, you try to refute me by moving the goalpost to “bishop.” Sorry, doesn’t wash.
If you’re gonna play ball, bring a bat.
You said Joshua made the sun stand still. That Scripture says that GOD made the sun stand still. Which is it?
But he's not been "crowned" by the Kings and Queens in our fair country.
The same Kings and Queens that foisted Bob Dole on us....have excluded Hunter.
Ideas and values no longer matter....it's sound bites, and money.
Morph talking, slicksters with the ability to suck the $$$ away from your pocket book, are what rule these days.
Or those that have the $$$ to sway the Sheeple with flowery speech, and the polished appearance.
Yes, Duncan Hunter is the most conservative in this horse race...but he will not place.
Personally I think....we continue down the "slippery slope"...no matter who gets elected POTUS. There is no POLITICAL saviour....
The only Saviour is Jesus Christ.
That's all you got?
I've never had the pleasure to speak to a "general authority"...but you and I know that most cannot quote you anything but your mormon taught scriptures.
Most of them are BUSINESS men....recruited to expand LDS, Inc.
They certainly aren't out in the towns and country saving souls...now are they?
Get back to me when you know what you’re talking about. It won’t be today.
tant,
I would be inclined to give him the benefit of the
doubt, if he had forthrightly dealt with the issue
when it was raised. Instead, all I heard were irrational
defenses.
As we know, I won’t be voting for Mitt anyway, but the
more I’ve learned, the more I’ve come to see Mitt and
Huck as not forthright about their convictions and
character. Even if I were in the market and considering
Mitt, I was turned off by his previous actions.
I’ve come to believe he is a good businessman and
good manager. I do not believe he is a visionary
leader. I see him as an opportunist, posing as a
conservative (and frankly, most others are too).
He has a conservative platform, shaped by the woman
he hired to shape his image among conservatives.
When people hear Hillary say something that is counter
to everything she has done, they still believe her
words over her actions. Mitt supporters are not
different on FR. Every time he comes up with another
paper or position, I simply look to his history and
wonder why anyone would believe him.
Never-the-less, I think Mitt will squeak through tonight
in Iowa based on organizational strength and the incredible
number of dollars he has spent and the sheer number of attack
adds he has run against Huckabee.
I would prefer Mitt lose, but I try to be objective. If he wins
by a lot, the Huck threat is over and it moves to NH.
BTW, if Mitt had donated 10% to charity as some kind of
way of neutralizing his winking at porn, he would be acknowledging
he knew about it. Yet even now, he could go back and do it
and doesn’t.
He’s one sharp manipulator who cares about family, money,
power... and his faith (but I mentioned power already).
best to you,
ampu
http://packham.n4m.org/
Fair enough. We’ll see what happens tomorrow. Romney -has- to win IA. If he does that, there’s very little else standing in his way. Things are looking good for Romney, as you say. I think it’s better than even money that you’ll have to face resolving your inner crisis about him next November.
Perversely, I’m actually rooting for Fred tomorrow, too. If Fred takes third, it seriously damages McCain’s chances in NH against Romney, and keeps Fred from dropping out and throwing his support to McCain. I don’t think McCain can beat Romney in SC anyway, particularly after MI, but it’s always good to be sure.
As a WY native, I think the question in EVERYBODY’s mind should be: Where will WY go?
http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/29337
I’m only being half sarcastic. There will be some buzz from the WY results, and it could affect a close race in NH.
tant,
The candidate should be decided before PA,
where I reside, so who I am for in the
primary is in a way, insignificant.
As to November, if it’s Romney, I’ll be
fishing. :-) that is decided already. If he
is elected, I’ll do my best to be supportive,
since he will be my Prez too. If he gets it
though, I’m not sure he will win.
The country wants change. I’ve asked myself
who best represents change on each side. I’m
not really sure. Obama is certainly the most
“inspiring” and warm, at this point. If he is
perceived that way, then I imagine that is a
big plus for him.
I always use the “float trip down the AR
river with a cooler of beer” test. If you wouldn’t
have a great time spending a day with a candidate
and visualize yourself doing it, he or she won’t
win. Clinton passed. Dole didn’t. Mitt - I don’t
think so. Obama, maybe. I won’t be voting for
Mitt or Obama, so I am curious to see how the
country votes.
I think anyone who wins early contests will
be reexamined as things move further. I would
have preferred Fred or someone similar, but
I don’t see it happening. It will be a rhino
of one horn or the other. I could hold my
nose and vote for some of them.
So, your test for determining if a candidate is a change agent (which is what you say the country wants to elect) is whether you’d have a good time with him on a float trip?
Good grief, AMPU, that can’t be what you mean!
I haven’t put much thought into it, but something tweaks me about your statement that America is demanding change. Let me chew on it.
Ya better believe that the "true-believing Mormons" adhere to (a) that which is in their Scriptures; and (b) that vision which is the revelation of revelations for them--their first vision.
You keep making statements as if you were fully ignorant. But Elsie already posted you that on post #720, so you are without excuse.
tant,
two things:
1. Float Trip Test is my test to PREDICT who wins. Not to
choose a candidate for myself. It says, “Is he likeable?”
2. This election is about change. The majority of the
country says we are moving in the wrong direction. They’ve
had it with Bush. They are worried about the economy.
Who best represents change with competence? I believe they
want change of direction and hope for a better future. They
want to remain secure while it happens.
BTW, it is so cold out here tonight, it feels like Wyoming!
Islam claims to have a prophet. You may have heard of him. By your logic, he couldn’t have been false, since Islam is very much with us, and I might add far greater in number than LDS. Islam has also been around far longer than LDS.
I mean the ability to recognize and distinguish good/true from evil/false. The Bible teaches us how to do this in Galatians chapter 5.
That's not really telling how to discern what's true. Good perhaps, but not true.
But archeology, like any science, is changing its mind all the time. Why should I believe in fickle archeology in the face of the testimony of the Holy Ghost?
No archeology is not "changing its mind all the time". There are new discoveries made but that's not the same as changing its mind. I sense you want to get away from archeology or any discussion of external evidence. DNA evidence is another big problem.
and your point is that the LDS fly into buildings and behead peopl....!
surface thinker!
Everything that is good is of God. But you’re missing my point, and I can’t explain it any more clearly than I have.
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Yes, and all those new discoveries routinely turn conventional wisdom on its head in the scientific community. Science, while valuable, is fickle. Archeology is no exception. Neither, by the way, is genetics.
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